ActionJack

At least you agree is is an old ladies car.

Let's look at the ladies car with forced air and the LS1 with forced air on a dyno:











I do not think I have to explain which is the ***'s (I mean old ladies car dyno).

Skarecrow

I totally agree, and appologize for my sarcastic comments. We've just been a little over-run lately with people who drive turbo 4s and think they are god's gift to the automobile (usually after switching from a n/a 4).

i won't say that this forum is immune from people who think anything without 8 cylinders (or even anything without a GM branded nameplate) is inferior, but on the whole this place is filled with car guys as well. it's why i stuck around here even when i was driving a ford. hell two of our moderators drive fords. heh

welcome to the forum.

Skarecrow

why'd you choose that dyno pic? i think they eventually got that engine up to about 780hp or so didn't they? or is that the new engine that did 780...

QMP really makes me want an 387ci (all-bore) ls1 with that big turbo of theirs. if they can get 780rwhp on 93 octane (?) with a 346 before they've finished tuning, i would imagine thay a 387 could get up to around 900rwhp or so. 900rwhp ls1....

WestsideWRX

true enough. i wasn't trying to be an ***. i just know how hard these new AWDs launch.

peace...

WestsideWRX

Thanks. I appreciate, and accept your apology. I'll admit, I'm a bit sensitive to the ricer thing. I hate rice as much as anyone. Maybe more, since it affects how people view ME. I'll double up on my meds tomorrow, and maybe I won't let myself get pulled into the argueing again.

Richard

WestsideWRX

Let's look at the ladies car with forced air and the LS1 with forced air on a dyno:



You're comparing apples and oranges, my friend. 350 cubic inches of forced-induction V8 damn sure better beat the numbers from a FI 4-banger with half the displacement. But, don't go bragging on that dyno run to the guys in the Supra forums. They make that much HP in reverse.

And, where on earth did you find such a poor example of an EVO dyno chart? That's undoubtably from a mildly modded EVO...perhaps just an exhaust. I know for a fact there are WRX's in Houston putting down over 400 AWHP, and I'd think there would be some EVOs making more than that. Of course, their trannies are tagged for disposal, or else they're double-clutching dogboxes.

MillaTK

Cool... I dont think your an ***, you seem like a pretty cool car guy, actually. You just seem to get a bit offended by the term rice, probably because of the import you drive. Don't let it get to you though... most of us wont ever call your car rice. I have even been called a ricer before as well!!!

Welcome to the board man

WestsideWRX

Just for ***** 'n grins, here's a better example of a modded EVO's capabilities...

http://home.columbus.rr.com/majorblues/imgs/New.jpg

And a modded '03 WRX...

http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...59_53_full.jpg

ActionJack

The chart is to show that the EVO is not "all that". You put forced air on an LS1 and the EVO is a little 4 banger screamer to catch up but cannot. There is more potential in the LS1, I hope point taken.


2nd, coming on the forum saying a guy in an LS1 cannot beat an EVO off the line on stock tires is crap unless you were there. I understand questioning a guy to try and find some BS but just because the EVO is doing 0 to 60 in 4.7 stock does not mean a stock or relatively stock cannot beat. Look at my sig, I have almost nothing in mods and when I went to the track I was on balding BFG KDWs and still did like a 4.7 for a 0 to 60. Sometimes it is the driver or road. Either way the guy beat a Lancer and if he says it is a EVO then cool.

I would love to race an EVO or a WRX but the guys in my area are all pussies driving those cars.

Yeah, I took it from your link on the previous page for "project Formula" and that car is Bad A$$. The dyno for the EVO is the better one from: http://www.ktrperformance.com/servic...graph_main.htm

Pretty cool.

99badta

Man you guys are rough. I drive an Evo now and came from an LS1 for practicality reasons. Stock for stock drivers race from a stop, roll, all LS1, anything requiring handling by by LS1, Evo will kill it. Like it or not these cars do respond to mods very well, few thousand and you are at low 12's all day. Stock turbo, some guys are running 11.5's between 115-121 mph. Yes the Ls1 is the ---- we all know that but please realize these cars are different in every way. Yes the LS1 is definately in its element at the drag track, Evo is much more suited for autocross but I like most Americans love the 1/4 mile, And we have to adjust our cars to this. My best time with turbo back exhaust, very mild fuel tuning, and 19psi held to redline is 1.81 60, 1/8 at 84.96 mph, and a 12.9 @ 106.93 mph. not bad for $1300. That was my first trip to the strip in my life so I know another tenth or two is there. I also ran 2 13.0's that day. Evos in Japan run 8 and 9's. Check out www.shepracing.com, it should enlighten a few as to what these"tiny" 4g63 motors are capable of. To each his own we should all enjoy racing and cars and not act like 5th graders saying mine is better than yours. I am not biased, like cars for what they are even if they take different approaches.


Shane

MillaTK

Nice post. I do know that Evo's can be made fast for little money. Im just curious though. You said it takes like 2k to run like mid 12's or so, how much to get it into say the low 11's to high 10's? Does it go up a lot more, or does the cost stay relatively low, like an LS1? Thats something I have wondered. I think most of the guys here know what the Evo is capable of, just don't want to admit it. I personally don't like the idea of trying to make a 4 banger really quick, but the evo is turbocharged from the factory, so that helps. It is just disheartening when the LS1 guys can get lik 60-80HP out of a cam, and well, if I were to invest in a cam, I would get like 10HP How sad is that?

99badta

$2500-$3000 low 12's', high 11's. Alot depends on how high end the parts are that you want. Kinda like Pacesetters vs. QTP or Kooks. Those prices are pertaining to higher quality. As far as cost to go low 11's anywhere from $5500-$8000 again depending on what path you want to take and how deep your pockets are. Again those are for hight quality parts. I have a few buddies with LS1's, And honestly we have compared costs on mods. If you are talking similar quality per vehicle they aren't that far off. Meaning A good turbo compared to a good set of stage II head and cam package. Example you can go with turbo kit which includes new Manifold, New fittings, wastgates, etc., that may run you anywhere from $3500-$6000, depending on how far you want to take it. Or you could just by the turbo for $1300 forget the rest of it and still gain a ton of HP. When it all comes down to it its what you want in the car and how high end you want to go.

Shane