Lawhead

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I honestly think its awesome the GM guys jump straight to comparing the GT500 to the Vette's


It means the Camero isn't relevant and its own league with maybe the Challengers as best land yachts

islander033

The ring was the only thing the ZL1 guys had to hang their hat on but somehow that has changed recently. lol

Mike Morris

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GT500 should never be compared to a Vette. That is just silly....

Lawhead

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Thats what the smart people know and the fan boys seem to never get a grasp of

TT427

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Maybe someone should tell that to ford, why else make it as powerful as they did? They most certainly shot for the Z06 with the power they put into it with the "advantage of back seats". In doing so powered there way out directly competing with the ZL1. GM hands are tied at this point other than reducing price a little to be the distinctly cheaper option or reducing weigh 500 lbs... Ford not having a sports/performance car played the only hand they had to get/keep some of that market. Probably 95% of the cars that do see road course or auto x will be on tracks that magnify the ZL1 advantage not hinder it. No matter which you choose, they both probably have more capability than most who buy them will ever be able to use on a road course , driver mod will usually be what wins out there.

TT427

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I don't know, I never really saw this debate till yesterday. I do know that the Ring has always had suspicious performances that never translate into real world performance. That obviously goes both ways but I myself don't use the Ring as gospel for anything. Ever changing conditions and ringer examples, it's all just a smoke and mirror show as far as I am concerned. Being the best in a category or breaking an existing record.

TT427

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I mean it was just a year or two ago the ZR1/Porche/GTR had the big throw down over there, and the GTR was clearly a ringer that was brought to claim the track record... There are more instances of this over the years search it. Geeze, the eff'n tire debate that ensued after that was mind numbing!

islander033

So is it Furd's fault for aiming too high with the Shelby, or GM's fault for aiming too low with the ZL1?

Mike Morris

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If you look when the ZL1 debuted GM had no idea Ford was cranking up the power that high with its top of the line pony car. The chief engineer of that car looked like an *** crying when Ford announced the 13 GT500 HP ratings. Oops. GM is held back by the Vette in regards to the Camaro no doubt but having a big brother at times does help. You can bet if there was not a Vette I am sure Camaro V8 performance would have been less since 1988 for sure. The 98 Z28 was just a monster when it debuted. The L98 88 IROC too despite being only offered with an auto. Both can thank the Vette for that. You can bet with no Vette around the Camaro would have never gotten either.

GT500 no matter what the power should not be compared to a Vette. This same silly stuff happened in 2003 with the Terminator.

HioSSilver

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I don't compare the gt500 to the vette..... what's the use? The gt500 gets as handed to it then. The thing is barley at 2006 vette acceleration.

big hammer

true. the vette totally eclipses the gt500.

islander033

Different categories and should not be compared, but it is flattering to the Furd camp that it happens.

big hammer

why would that flatter you?

islander033

So, you don't find it flattering to be compared to a class above where you belong?

PS. I'm not really part of the Furd camp, I only own 1 compared to 2 GMs.

Lawhead

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This....

TT427

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Useless post and basically a misleading quote... it's all outlined in the entire post. Not a fault of anybodies...They fit in where they do and have overlapping qualities and potential. I don't believe anyone is making a direct comparison of the vette, however when you read all the articles it gets thrown around enough in a straight line anyway, only because of the power plain and simple. Now had ford kept the power down close to what it was it would never be mentioned.

islander033

I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

I say that GM shot too low, matching a 2012 GT500 in performance was stoopid, they had lots of room at their disposal prior to hitting the performance of a Z06...

TT427

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Please explain the sense of GM making the Camaro compete with the ZR1 yet price wise with the GT500. I am always open to new marketing strategies.

TT427

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Then you can explain how you still put square blocks through round holes while you are at it.

Lawhead

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Not sure if serious or.....