Originally Posted by HioSSilver

The Ford Gt cost 3 times what the vette does.

Originally Posted by big hammer

it did disappear in the 70's.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

It's incredible what a 9s car these days constitutes, compared to what that meant just 10 years ago.

Originally Posted by OVA1

The 70s… I had a blast. But I road moto-x and drive a Toyota…

LOL! I remember one of Mom's Caddies had a "Fuel Economy" light… WHATTA A PIG.

The 70s were not kind to the car biz. These kids have no idea what SUCK really is. Try sitting in a half mile long line to get a MAXIMUM of 5 gallons of gas on your day!

But the beer was flowing and ladies… they were all ~BRAND NEW~ and that was nice.

Originally Posted by snake95

I'll entertain your fanboism since my point clearly didn't stick with you before.

Also, I wasn't alive then, littlehammer, so I'd have no idea what the Mustang 2 was like.

My statement was completely relevant in this case Pontiac is my favorite GM brand but damn you make me like them a little less every day

Oh and...poor hammer.

Originally Posted by snake95

I'll entertain your fanboism since my point clearly didn't stick with you before.

Also, I wasn't alive then, littlehammer, so I'd have no idea what the Mustang 2 was like.

My statement was completely relevant in this case Pontiac is my favorite GM brand but damn you make me like them a little less every day

Oh and...poor hammer.

Originally Posted by big hammer

it upsets me that you don't go buy a new Pontiac.

Originally Posted by big hammer

late 90's for me--- playing bumper tag in town. wrapping ******** into hydro poles in parking lots. snatching dead water heaters from plumbing shops and punting them with a car at 50 mph. good times.

Originally Posted by OVA1

Oh… I can help ya with that: it looked alot like this: SUCK! But so did pretty much everything else. It probably had a half mile of vacuum hose in it. Of course I'm exaggerating… it was closer to a 1/4 mile.

Originally Posted by big hammer

I see you picked the worst thing you could talk aboot...

but yes. no sound good

Originally Posted by snake95

Guess I didn't miss much!

Originally Posted by snake95

Guess I didn't miss much!

Originally Posted by OVA1

Won't argue with any of that, except to say that something caused Ford to **** the bed. If it wasn't the obvious, you tell me what it was?

Originally Posted by OVA1

They've got ONE car pushing all this attention. That car has 8.1 liters of displacement on a near fully modded engine… .

Originally Posted by OVA1

GM has now three badges pushing world class overall performance, it has a suspension system which the Euro-peons are now lining up to license for their piles… a brand new engine, pushing an exquisitely appointed sports ride to high 11 second 1/4s in stock trim, down to the tires… >NA<, all of which enjoys a lofty 30MPG, for 60k.

Originally Posted by OVA1

Now tradition, as noted above, says that will all be lined up in the GM Ponies in short order.

Be honest now… do ya really believe that Chevy hasn't figured out that a bigger blower will make their lineup faster?

That they didn't run to larger blowers… does that perhaps tell ya that they're not looking to Ford for clues on the future? Do ya not think that Ford doesn't know that?

So, at the moment, the 500 outruns its would-be Pony competitor, in a straight line, along with the new base vette… so far.


I honestly can't believe that you're pinning all your hopes on this car… cause if Ford is to survive this, it won't be with this car.

Originally Posted by OVA1

My hope is that they've used this play to reposition themselves for the introduction of something new, revolutionary, in terms of the entire Ford package.

Otherwise… well, it ain't gonna be good, that's for sure.

But I gotta believe that they've got something big cooking.

Originally Posted by Blown383LS1

There you go again with Ford "shitting the bed" by upping the hp. Did GM **** the bed when it put the LS1 in the 98 f bodies? They had 125 more hp than the Mustang at the time. By your logic they must have been going after Ferrari and Porsche since they had so much more hp than their competition. It was a natural progression in the advancement of the line for GM just like the 2013 GT500 is. Nothing more.



Don't forget about the 5.0's outrunning the fifth gens for less money. As for the GT500 it is no where close to being maxed out from the factory. They can run 9's with bolt ons. I don't call that near fully modded from the factory.



Technology is a good thing.



I am pinning all my hopes on the GT500? I wasn't aware that I was hoping for anything, just stating facts. What is Ford trying to "survive?" They are selling plenty of cars and trucks.



Of course they have something coming down the line that will move the brand forward. Without it, they would go broke as a company and we would have to foot the bill for another company that was "too big to fail."

Originally Posted by Heater

And how much are they worth today compared to Vettes of the same years?

Originally Posted by Lawhead

You're fighting a losing battle man.......If the Mustang 2V had a Bowtie on it these guys would fit till the death that it was an awesome platform

Just laugh and try to argue better points with them LoL

Originally Posted by big hammer

the 2v modular was the dumbest engine ever made.

Originally Posted by Heater

And how much are they worth today compared to Vettes of the same years?

Originally Posted by OVA1

Well as the occasional shopper for a used Vette… You'd think those cars were built of diamonds and held together by platinum and gold.

Don't know jack about what the FORD GT is worth, but I can tell ya the used Vettes are holding their value nicely.

I saw an ad in the paper some months back… if memory serves it was for a 95. Guy was asking $5500. Looked like he'd dredged it off the bottom of a massive, flooded ashtray.

I don't think I said 10 words to him… just got back in my truck and went on down the road.