Generally speaking, whenever a Mustang with a modular engine is discussed on this forum, somebody says something about how much power the engine makes. Refers to it as a "good engine." Something like that. Then somebody counters with, "The LS is 1352415x better. Look how many people swap LS motors into other cars. I've never seen something with a mod motor swapped in, so it can't be good." Or weight/size.
Familiarity is a big part of it as well.

 

Affordability period. You can go to a junkyard and find a couple hundred dollar motor and thats what you usually see in these swapped cars is "budge" based builds that rule the internet


And I'd say the 5.0 vs LS3 sales might shock you.....

 

They may shock me, but I'd doubt it. and don't think ever swap is a 4.8/5.3/6.0 JY swap. Look at higher end builds, and you'll see LS's with 4L60's behind it.

 

Thanks for the inclusion

Probly has to do with cost, familiarity and simplicity.

 

Has to do with how easily they are to swap in and you can see decent power returns. Nobody wants to **** with swapping in a huge Dohc motor into something when the SBC is smaller and has 3520495828 kits and instructions on how to do it. Simplicity, better instruction, been around so long there's zillions of them, etc.
Just because people are sheep doesn't mean the motor is the best thing evarr!
It is a great motor though and I'll agree with hammer that you can do pretty much anything you want to with an SBC.

 

Well, this is a subjective exercise, but it's pretty hard to beat, and IMO better than any motor ford has ever produced.

I'll put my flame suit on now.....

 

That's what they did. Sorta like when Lawnhead went out and bought a substantially more modified car with a bigger blower that time when he was under a ton of pressure and was unlikely to prevail… it happens to manufacturers too.

No, they introduced a new and substantially more efficient engine design. Which they used to reposition themselves as a player in the world class performance department.

Yep… something like that. With a brand new engine design. ENGINE… Design…

Meaning a BETTER MOTOR… Normally Aspirated.

What Ford did was to slap a panic blower on their Same Old-Same Old engine, pushing it a hundred HP beyond its traditional competitor, which, it should be noted, is ALSO sporting a blower.

But that is perfectly understandable… they needed to do something and they didn't have any new engine technology to introduce. My hope is that they needed to use the 'panic blower move' to give them time to get their new technology ready TO INTRODUCE.

Otherwise, Ford is good and SKUHREWED! And I really hope that is not the case. As I've said many times, the Blue Oval was my first car love with the Fast backs of the late 60s early 70s. And I've always enjoyed the Bow Tie -V- Blue Oval competition. But the truth is I am worried about Ford. I WANT to believe that they've used this move to make their move. Please let it be so… .

So… Ford can't go for a share of the Ferrari and Porsche market?

You should consider what THAT says about YOUR feelings on the viability of the old Blue Oval. Particularly given that The General went after their share of those markets and is doing well in gettin' some.

LOL! Come on brother. There's nothing 'advanced' about boring the cylinders and adding a substantially larger blower. If their were, you'd have a fairly strong point.

But I can understand how you'd come to that conclusion, given that SVT has been using blowers as a crutch for the failure to build a better engine design, for over a decade now.

So don't sweat it… .

Less car… thus that serves reason.

Ya don't? Car comes with the engine bored .30 over and a 2.3 liter blower which put it in mid-high 11s. Dah… we'll just have to disagree.

I join you in the hope that they come up with something quick, given that 'we' have shot the collective wad paying for the cult of socialism to acquire the power necessary to preclude the US from exerting influence in trying to offset the damage they've done in socialist catastrophes around the world, through their incessant desire to elevate the idiots and deadbeats to the highest of all collectivist perches, the "VICTIM".

I would also like to assure YOU… that I would have MUCH preferred the General pass on into the Corporate ether, than to have further undermined their viability by having jumped into bed with the enemies of freedom.

But, that's another discussion for another time and place.

 

Think GM messed up on that.. That said ive talked good on both cars i just dont like comparing two cars that are built for different reasons it aint right imo

 

I'll protect ya brother. It is a better motor. Simple works…

 

The ford gt still cost jusy as much of the top of the line viper/ Zr1 (when it was brand new)

 

the term normally aspirated makes no sense because it is subjective.

 

I haven't seen anyone claim the 500 doesn't handle well. The ZL1 just handles better. And brother come on… I have watched every video I can find where a professional driver runs both cars and without exception, they all say the same thing: 500 is a mauler, with mind blowing power, while the ZL1 is a driver's car…with a finely tuned suspension.

The new 500 is hands down the best Mustang Ford has ever built.

But it wasn't built to compete with the ZL1, it was built to bury it and push against the Vettes. Sadly, if we're going to use the "Chevy bult the ZL1 to compete with older GT500s" rationale, it must also be true that Ford built the new Gt500 to compete against the older Vettes. Just as sadly, without marked improvement in the base engine… it's going to be too little, too late.

Let's hope that isn't the case.

 

Man, ain't THAT the truth.

 

LOL!

What objective term do you prefer? "Sucks Air without Assistance?"

 

Jesus OVA, you would argue with a road sign and take the wrong road home. Yea, they bored it .030 and slapped a bigger blower on it. You can read here if you think that's all they did: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...re_liners.html

Why would they need to introduce an all new engine design to make them relevant or competitive? DOHC, four valve with tivct is doing pretty well. GM makes a whopping 6 more hp with an extra 1.2 liters when comparing the GT and SS. I like push rods as much as anybody but they are OLD technology.

 

Troof!

One must ask is the sky up? And does gravity exist?

 

What is funny is that the 305 TPI(dual car with speed desnity) made more power and torque than the first 2 valve despite being much older. I would take a 305 TPI over a 2 valve pre 99 any day

 

Why would Ford need to introduce a new design? I don't know… maybe you should ask the guy that signed off on the panic blower?

I'm sure that I don't know the reason that Ford freaked out… but we can all rest assured that there WAS a reason.

Maybe it was the magnetic ride control? Perhaps it was that the General had the temerity to bust off into Ford's lane by offering a pony car with a blower and was getting the power to the ground better than Ford? Who we know has had MAJOR trouble getting out of the hole… maybe they just decided to double down on power to see if they could bust through it and they'd find an answer on the other side?

I dunno…

I posit that Ford did not have an answer to the ZL1, was falling behind technologically and (HOPEFULLY) having a new platform in design, which isn't ready for prime time, decided to mount up the panic blower, bore the block and jump out a hundred HP to blow by the ZL1, push up against the Vette in order to borrow some time, while appearing to be gaining ground… to get ready to launch that next generation platform.

Thanks for the link… I'll check it out.

 

I thought this was settled in 1996, lol.

* > 2v

 

I hope they panic again and add another 100hp. Panic hp still counts doesn't it?