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Old 12-15-2013, 08:36 AM
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yaa ill just stop posting on the forum lol.
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Originally Posted by Garret-SS
yaa ill just stop posting on the forum lol.


Don't let these guys stop you from posting up on here. They just don't like it when a Mustang beats a GM product and it being a V6 just added more salt to the wound.

Sit back and watch, some of these guys will give you some solid advice, you just have to pick through the sarcasm and hate to get it.
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What Heater just said... and

It doesn't matter what any of us think of Flowmaster exhaust for these cars... Flowmaster exhaust is NOT what caused him to get spanked by a V6 Mustang!

Maybe the Mustang in question has more mods than the owner said(some are in the 11's and even 10's now)? Maybe his car actually has a problem??? Whatever the case, no matter what else, he did NOT lose because of whatever losses in hp a Flowmaster gave his car!
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No way the v6 is making 335 with those mods..maybe hiding a shot...
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2002 Camaro SS
-5.7 V8, A4 with 3.25
- 325 Hp to wheels w/ 350 tq

has your car been dynod or are you guessing at these numbers ?
What are your Mods ?
Old 12-15-2013, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No. ... Not a good one. They are junk for these cars.
Some folks just think loud noise sounds good.
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OP, I agree with the others, that V6 Mustang is not making nowhere near 335 at the wheels with those mods. What is done to your Camaro to have 325whp? If all you have is a Flowmaster muffler or catback, what you think you have for wheel horsepower is way off. Definitely look into your trans since it has an issue not shifting correctly and causing the motor to bounce off the rev limiter. IMO, you lost so badly because there is an issue to work out with your car. Good luck!
Old 12-15-2013, 09:33 AM
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Flowmasters aren't loud though. There super quite IMO.
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Don't be upset you're getting out ran by V6 mustangs.

You can always hold on to GM was doing it 10 years ago ....
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A) That car did NOT have anywhere close to 335whp. The highest I've seen a bolton car dyno is in the 320's, and that was on a very happy dyno IMO. I haven't had mine on the rollers in a while, but my dad's full bolton v6 put 305whp 290ish tq.

2) The fbody doesn't exactly have to be hurt to be outrun by one of these cars. But by more then a bumper-1/2 car with the mods listed, something is probably 'wrong' with the 'fish.

Sounds like its time for another rebuild on that 4l60 OP.

Edit: You say the 6er was a 6speed, but a6 or m6? I HIGHLY doubt it was a m6 with 4.10's. With a 4.24:1 1st gear in these v6 mt82's, first gear would be useless with 4.10s. So, if it was an auto car, it makes this death a little more, weird.
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Garret I think your trans is on the way out. I am in Vero Beach a lot. Let me know if you me to look at it.
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Originally Posted by Garret-SS
yaa ill just stop posting on the forum lol.
Don't do that.....just fix your stuff and keep a open mind. A full bolt-on v6 stang like foolin ya could very well out run a ls1 car. Most don't run as good as his and your car is a little off. A solid running free mod fcar should give a a bolt-on v6 stang fits or out run it.
Originally Posted by Heater
Don't let these guys stop you from posting up on here. They just don't like it when a Mustang beats a GM product and it being a V6 just added more salt to the wound.

Sit back and watch, some of these guys will give you some solid advice, you just have to pick through the sarcasm and hate to get it.
I don't mind a v6 stang outruns a fcar if everything is right. It just shows where technology is heading......pretty great IMO
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A) That car did NOT have anywhere close to 335whp. The highest I've seen a bolton car dyno is in the 320's, and that was on a very happy dyno IMO. I haven't had mine on the rollers in a while, but my dad's full bolton v6 put 305whp 290ish tq.

2) The fbody doesn't exactly have to be hurt to be outrun by one of these cars. But by more then a bumper-1/2 car with the mods listed, something is probably 'wrong' with the 'fish.

Sounds like its time for another rebuild on that 4l60 OP.

Edit: You say the 6er was a 6speed, but a6 or m6? I HIGHLY doubt it was a m6 with 4.10's. With a 4.24:1 1st gear in these v6 mt82's, first gear would be useless with 4.10s. So, if it was an auto car, it makes this death a little more, weird.
This guys knows about the v6 stangs.......and for some reason he has been a thorn in the v8 Mustang guy's side.
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OP I would honestly rebuild your trans and either put a 3600 stall or a 4000 stall in it and also put 3:73 gears in your 10 bolt. those two will wake up your car and it will be a night and day difference. Plus your foundation will be stronger once you decide to upgrade the motor.
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I was going to say sounds like you need a driver mod, but realized you are redlining on an A4, so sounds like you need some maintenance done.

Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
Wow..good run for the V6 Stang but I do not think he is making anywhere near 335 Hp to the wheels..Not even close. 4.10s add no Hp but shifts the torq curve. Tune, Intake and TB add some but not a huge amount to account for that number. Just my opinion though.
Truth. I agree with this post.

Originally Posted by hugger1975
Yeah but the stang can't hear the exhaust while in front.....
LMAO Truth

Originally Posted by Garret-SS
To be honest I think my tranny is going to ****, I've had it fixed already.But maybe still something wrong with it.
Sounds like it might be happening then.

Originally Posted by Garret-SS
yaa ill just stop posting on the forum lol.
We win some, we lose some, and expect the backlash ANY time you post on here. Its the norm.

Originally Posted by ohioborn80
No way the v6 is making 335 with those mods..maybe hiding a shot...
Agreed. Although, I don't think it needs to be hiding a shot against a z28 with a bad trans.

Originally Posted by "MAC"
OP I would honestly rebuild your trans and either put a 3600 stall or a 4000 stall in it and also put 3:73 gears in your 10 bolt. those two will wake up your car and it will be a night and day difference. Plus your foundation will be stronger once you decide to upgrade the motor.
This, with 4.10s instead. LOL
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lol 4:10's hell yea then he can get a bigger cam and better flowing heads to put his power band around the 4k rpm rang if everything matches up just right he should be sitting just fine but he has got to get his trans and rear end built first those 60E trans break constantly, trust me i know
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
This. .... They sound horrible and are worse than a stock muffler for power.
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
No. ... Not a good one. They are junk for these cars.
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Cause it's not 3 hp.....it's more like 10.
If one wants the Flowmaster sound but is concerned with flow, that's nothing a simple $50 cut-out can't fix. Besides, I don't think there has ever been a concrete test to compare Flowmaster cat-backs to other LS1 kits, so we really don't know how restrictive they are, or if at all. They definitely flow better than a stock base muffler that's for sure.

It also depends on the series as all Flowmasters weren't created equal. Below is a dyno sheet for my car when it had a Mufflex 4" kit with a...wait for it...Flowmaster 30 series muffler.

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Originally Posted by "MAC"
OP I would honestly rebuild your trans and either put a 3600 stall or a 4000 stall in it and also put 3:73 gears in your 10 bolt. those two will wake up your car and it will be a night and day difference. Plus your foundation will be stronger once you decide to upgrade the motor.
373s will do next to nothing for that car. Waste of money

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lol 4:10's hell yea then he can get a bigger cam and better flowing heads to put his power band around the 4k rpm rang if everything matches up just right he should be sitting just fine but he has got to get his trans and rear end built first those 60E trans break constantly, trust me i know
Again wrong.
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Mike, you know that's a pattern lol
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Originally Posted by ls1ss_2000
If one wants the Flowmaster sound but is concerned with flow, that's nothing a simple $50 cut-out can't fix. Besides, I don't think there has ever been a concrete test to compare Flowmaster cat-backs to other LS1 kits, so we really don't know how restrictive they are, or if at all. They definitely flow better than a stock base muffler that's for sure.

It also depends on the series as all Flowmasters weren't created equal. Below is a dyno sheet for my car when it had a Mufflex 4" kit with a...wait for it...Flowmaster 30 series muffler.

I agree. I don't think flows are all that restrictive. That said, Hio's car does move out...I just don't think it's because he isn't running flowmasters. I'd point a finger at the non-shifting tranny long before the exhaust.


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