Irunelevens

No car is unbeatable. Physics is a mothafucka.

Heater

Damn all these Mustangs in here!

islander033

They should stick to their own kind.

badformulaLS1

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My lid/cat-back A4 Formula hung within a car of new 5.0s on multiple occasions. The internet can provide plenty of videos of other bolt on LS1 cars keeping up just fine and beating in several cases stock 5.0s. Must a be a crappy set up or something wrong with your car...

And also the 07-09 GT500s are turds... No faster than the 03-04s. They ran what, 12.8-12.9s? A bolt on LS1 should be a good match for that on the street and a cammed one shouldn't even be a race...

Irunelevens

The thing with 5.0s, is they are just like 4th gens; there are models that are faster than others. The automatics have 3.15 gears, and manuals can have 3.31s or 3.73s. The lightest models weigh ~3,450lbs, the heaviest add 300lbs to that. So "a 5.0" can means lots of things, just like "an LS1."

MACHXLR8

+1. Good observation and well said.
Very similar to the 4.6 4Vs. Depending how well the cams were degreed from the factory affected how well they performed. Almost like a "box of chocolate"...LOL

HioSSilver

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Not really......the 5.0 camp claims the 3.15 gear is better at times. I don't think you'll ever hear anyone with a auto 4th gen claim 2.73's are better. The weight of 4th gens did not very 300# either......that's a huge amount for the same basic model.


Think about this when your comparing times. 4th gen always had the hindrance of the 7.5 rear. Did anyone ever put a dr or slick on a bone stock 4th gen m6 to see what it could do?? If so link please. I would think 12.5's ~ would be a strong possibility.

Irunelevens

You gotta try to make an argument out of everything, don't you? The 4th gens also did not have the technology/options like the new Mustang does. The entire point of my post, which seems to have escaped you, is that the different models run noticeably different times. Just like the 4th gens. And it's "vary," btw.

Edit: And the quickest time I've seen on t3h interwebs from a DR-only 4th gen was a 12.69 IIRC.

Edit 2: Here ya go;

HioSSilver

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It's "the"


And no one is arguing. Just posting another point of view.

Irunelevens

What kind of "point of view" was there to post? I said "times vary because of model/weight differences, just like 4th gens." Which is a 100% true statement.

HioSSilver

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After reading the comments that car only had a 1.9 60'. Which was doable on the stock tires. So that pretty much confirms that they would/could've went a 12.5~. Why no one did is beyond me. But at a 1.9 60' the potential was there.

Irunelevens

I actually commented on that video years ago that the claimed 1.9 60' really looked more like a ~1.7.

madmike9396

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seems like a lot of butt hurt ford boys here. Get over it the GT500 isn't all its cracked up to be IMO

HioSSilver

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Times didn't vary that much on 4th gens due to options. You would be looking at about 100lbs between the lightest to heaviest and no gear options for the m6. More so due to driver error/ day/ track prep. I've been around enough of them to know.

There for making your statement not so 100% true.

BTW....the SS in the vid did not have the SLP dual dual and more than likely did not have the oe optioned SLP lid. It was also a t-top car. Vid was made in 07 and more than likely it had a well worn stock clutch is why the 60' was only a 1.9 on a mickey.

Now maybe some of you will understand why It's so close between these new 5.0's and the the old ls1 car.

HioSSilver

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Not at all a 1.7.....I know what they look like/feel like at a 1.7. If you listen you can here the clutch slip. But it probably slipped into it's sweet spot netting the et. Clean off throttle shifts help the clutch live the rest of the pass w/o slip.

Irunelevens

Everybody knows the '07-'09 cars weren't very impressive. The issue here is the reputed "Super Snake," which is a minimum of 605hp. A sub-400rwhp full-weight F-body isn't going to run away from a 600hp GT500 from a roll like that.
So a slick-top M6 Z28 w/ no options (or a no-option Formula) and a fully-optioned automatic 2.73-geared Trans Am are going to be within 100lbs of each other and run the same times? Good to know. And btw, pointing out that there is more of a weight variance with the new 5.0s just solidifies what I originally said.

Lawhead

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Yeah I'm kind of puzzled with that.....

It'llrun

1st you disagree, then you don't... Make up your mind!

You're kidding... Of COURSE these cars were run on DR's and even on slicks, otherwise stock. The fact nobody posted several videos certainly isn't an indication that it didn't ever happen. Most people simply didn't have video recorders at the track that long ago, or phones capable of good video, etc.

A 1.9 may have been doable on factory tires, but who's to say adding extra traction on an otherwise stock Camaro didn't cause it to bog off the line? I'm convinced there's more to that story anyway... look at the mph... 110+ is surely ALSO quite normal from a "well worn" Camaro...

We can say anything we want, but these cars simply were not running 12.5's back then, stock. That's merely wishful thinking.

Of course not... Nearly every car runs 11's factory stock and 10's by simply adding slicks... Yup, daily occurrence, no doubt.

Even the older GT500's were quite good, all things considered. They could've been better, but the best part was their ability to handle modifications. Far better than a 4th gen, to be sure.

So a 1LE was within 100 lb of the heaviest? Don't think so... Scooter.

Why, because the Mustang weighs more?

Realistically, it isn't "so close between" them at all. The quickest known factory stock 4th gen ran somewhere around 12.8 and the quickest known new 5L has run 12.3... 1/2 second looks like near eternity when you're racing. The average is fairly close, but the Mustang absolutely IS quicker, period.

Irunelevens

THIS. Which, if you can understand simple concepts, was the point of what I said initially. If you own one of those LS1 cars that was capable of running a 12.9, and you run one of the 5.0s that is capable of running a 12.3, it isn't gonna be pretty. But if you run one of those 5.0s that is well-optioned and would run a 12.9 on a great day, it's gonna be a dead-nuts race. So. The times and race outcomes are going to vary greatly depending on options/transmission/gears with either car.

Lawhead

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My Lid/Catback T/A (Options you can get from the factory) ran 12.93 at 109

My buddies with the Same exact set up with an auto runs 13.4's at 104

60 foots are the same both 00 cars