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Old 01-26-2014, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
No I meant EWP and a vacuum pump. Not just EWP.



Oh I don't know about that. I have seen some cars pick up good power that. Mamo says its good for a 346 too.



And its a notch.!!! Ughhh GM motor in a fox?? No need!!
Gm motor in a fox? Yea you have proved that's a good idea by running 12.5~ with a h/c furd in it. A bolt on ls1 in that light chassis should run well into the 11's. Not to mention you can easily get those cars to 2700-2800 lb an have a shot at 10's bolt on only.
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Why not a built 351 or even a Coyote?
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
So it looks like I was right. ......200lb off a 85 fox is a damn light car. That thing might have had 250hp to the wheels.
You got the 200 lbs weight reduction, did you miss the adding a cage part? The cage added a lot of that weight right back to the car.
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**** a solid bolt on lt1 would go faster than your h/c furd motor Mike.
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Just to add fuel to the fire about ford engines and chevy engines power block tv did a show on the old big blocks back in the day and the Chevy 454 destroyed fords big block no contest what so ever!
What were the parameters? Which Ford big blocks?

A Ford 385 series big block is a bad bitch...but if you use Hio's "all stock parts", the stock 60's BBC is probably better. I honestly don't know much about BBC's.
The 460 or the 429 cobra jet i believe cant remember and i aint paying to watch the damn episode just to prove a point and factory settings they dynod both and the 454 destroyed it.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Gm motor in a fox? Yea you have proved that's a good idea by running 12.5~ with a h/c furd in it. A bolt on ls1 in that light chassis should run well into the 11's. Not to mention you can easily get those cars to 2700-2800 lb an have a shot at 10's bolt on only.

Yes 12s with the wrong combo. If I went back in time high 11s. Oh well I was an idiot. I actually went a best of 12.2 with FMS junk. Then slapped FMS blower and went mid 11s 123MPH. Then got rid of that put a real fuel system in the car along with a real blower/intercooler and BAM on slicks



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Bolt on LT1 is not going 12.2s

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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
Why not a built 351 or even a Coyote?
F- a 351.

I could see doin a Coyote in it. But the ls still has more potential n/a.
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You got the 200 lbs weight reduction, did you miss the adding a cage part? The cage added a lot of that weight right back to the car.
If it's just a 6 point then it's not that heavy. Plus is in the back right where you would want it.
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
Why not a built 351 or even a Coyote?
Coyotes are expensive! What can you pull out of a stock 351 block? The thing is i think the most expensive thing on that LQ/LS3 setup would be the cam and supporting mods for it lol. Im possibly keeping or selling my car, im so indecisive. If i sell it ill buy a daily, and build something haggard
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
Bolt on LT1 is not going 12.2s

Sure they will. Bolt on lt's have been 11's. It's easy to get one to high 12's at full weight. Take 300 lb off that for fox weight and bam..... Right there where you were.
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So whats considered a bolt on? As i was under the assumption its only what you bolt onto the engine. Example headers, intake, and heads
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What is wrong with the 351 based motor? You can run cubes and tons of killer heads for it.
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
What is wrong with the 351 based motor? You can run cubes and tons of killer heads for it.
It's not a GM motor.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Sure they will. Bolt on lt's have been 11's. It's easy to get one to high 12's at full weight. Take 300 lb off that for fox weight and bam..... Right there where you were.
Not with stock wheels,all sway bars on and full weight with spare tire and jack in the car. Auto maybe. They could match the MPH and beat it. ET wise I don't. You are comparing times I ran in the late 90s to guys now. Bolt on LT1s were running mid 12s back then. Back then I was killing LS1s easy. Once the cammed ones came out I had to go with a blower.

I can get a 302 heads cam car to smash a bolt on lt1 easy now days. The know how and parts are much better
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How come its "Fords fault" they didn't make a big cube mod motor


But you always bring up the Fox bodies weight........Sounds like "GM's fault" to me......
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
What is wrong with the 351 based motor? You can run cubes and tons of killer heads for it.
Nothing those are good motors imo n gave the 350 a good fight from what i heard
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
What is wrong with the 351 based motor? You can run cubes and tons of killer heads for it.

I think the problem is that with the GM stuff you can run alot of OEM parts thus saving money in most situations. Its hard to come across a fast NA ford here. I know you can get a 351w for ****, my buddy pulled one out of a van for $300. But the problem is aftermarket castings is the only choice am i right? Or is there anything budget friendly that will make power?
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Sure they will. Bolt on lt's have been 11's. It's easy to get one to high 12's at full weight. Take 300 lb off that for fox weight and bam..... Right there where you were.

Then add compression and cubes that the LT1 has I don't(I ran big chamber GT40s cause I wanted a blower when I could afford it) and I win. LOL
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You know you're not gonna gain any ground with him Mike. He's just gonna keep adjusting his argument to make himself still right in his own mind.
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
Correct, But thats still apart of the Cams spec's if you change the Ratio that is
it doesn't change the cam specs, it changes the valve lift.


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