Camaro Z28 vs H/C 306ci Mustang
01-26-2014, 10:28 PM
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You found some random *** site off the Internet to use as a definition to aid your argument.... Then tell someone to get educated, When you change the heads on a car it becomes out of the realm of a "bolt on" car it becomes a Heads/Cam car because if you're not changing the cam there Is 0 reason to go aftermarket heads. You bolt on a blower is it no longer a blower but simply a "bolt on" ?
01-26-2014, 10:32 PM
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Also how is changing the heads changing the cam? Does it magically change the specs on the grind of the cam? No it doesn't so again how does it change the cam?
01-26-2014, 10:34 PM
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How am I one way? Buy wanting to equal up weight/ rear strength? For christ sakes we're talking h/c furd vs bolt-on lt
Can totally agree with that. One of my old friends (the "Karger," in Calibrated by Karger) has a hard running LQ in his notch and it goes like the wind.
1) That's a ricer argument. I thought you liked OE ****?
2) No you don'tu
3) That's only the 13512652431th time we've all seen you type that. And the 351W in my friend Tyler's '83 foxbody seemed to fit just fine.
1) That's a ricer argument. I thought you liked OE ****?
2) No you don'tu
3) That's only the 13512652431th time we've all seen you type that. And the 351W in my friend Tyler's '83 foxbody seemed to fit just fine.
Yep I like oe ****......but 7.5s suck for a m6 car.
You can run Ford racing heads if you want factory stuff. But since cars sans the R didn't come with 351s a OEM head used in production comes down to a few including the old GT40 cast irons used in a lightening truck. Just too small. If on a budget just look on the Corral for used heads-canfields etc are on there all the time.
I went 107s with deflated drag radials. I went a best of 111MPH on street radials with proper psi. Look up my username on LS1.com back in the late 90s(Mike 92LX). LS1 guys were stating they could killed heads cam foxes with grotty headers,lids,tunes and screens removed from MAF. NOPE. I killed them all. They lost. Rolls etc. Now you might argue it was shallow victory for me and I don't mean to imply a 5.0 pushrod is in a LS1s ball park in terms of output but if you were smart you won. When aftermarket picked up and I started seeing cammed cars going 112-113MPH(back then that was moving) it was blower time. I was trapping 123MPH with a quiet FMS/Powerdyne that no one could hear. The ones on spray were close. Back then anything over a 150 shot was risky.
Only reason I never did a 351 based motor is that I could not disguise it and I wanted to keep the stock hood. Back then you couldn't. Now days you can. For a while you could get a 351 aluminum block from Ford racing. I should have went that route instead of an Rblock. I made a lot of mistakes but that is part of the hobby.
351s fit in Fox just fine hell Ford racing sold a kit so you needed nothing to do it.
Not my problem Fbodies had ten bolts. They had cubes and compression on me. Run what you brung. It deflated a lot of egos when after LS guys were waving their 305-315RWHP dyno slips-they got slapped. Only LS I lost to was a sprayed auto with converter back then. He got me out of the hole,blew a headgasket but could not make up the ground. Oh well can't win them all.
I went 107s with deflated drag radials. I went a best of 111MPH on street radials with proper psi. Look up my username on LS1.com back in the late 90s(Mike 92LX). LS1 guys were stating they could killed heads cam foxes with grotty headers,lids,tunes and screens removed from MAF. NOPE. I killed them all. They lost. Rolls etc. Now you might argue it was shallow victory for me and I don't mean to imply a 5.0 pushrod is in a LS1s ball park in terms of output but if you were smart you won. When aftermarket picked up and I started seeing cammed cars going 112-113MPH(back then that was moving) it was blower time. I was trapping 123MPH with a quiet FMS/Powerdyne that no one could hear. The ones on spray were close. Back then anything over a 150 shot was risky.
Only reason I never did a 351 based motor is that I could not disguise it and I wanted to keep the stock hood. Back then you couldn't. Now days you can. For a while you could get a 351 aluminum block from Ford racing. I should have went that route instead of an Rblock. I made a lot of mistakes but that is part of the hobby.
351s fit in Fox just fine hell Ford racing sold a kit so you needed nothing to do it.
Not my problem Fbodies had ten bolts. They had cubes and compression on me. Run what you brung. It deflated a lot of egos when after LS guys were waving their 305-315RWHP dyno slips-they got slapped. Only LS I lost to was a sprayed auto with converter back then. He got me out of the hole,blew a headgasket but could not make up the ground. Oh well can't win them all.
Sure it's not your problem fcars rears were less than ideal. But the rear and weight of the fox is the only thing that kept it in the ball park. It don't do much good to have a larger more powerful engine if you can't use the power or you basically give the other car a running start.
01-26-2014, 10:38 PM
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01-26-2014, 10:38 PM
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That guy fucked up a good vette.
How am I one way? Buy wanting to equal up weight/ rear strength? For christ sakes we're talking h/c furd vs bolt-on lt
You have to change the steering and put a hood on a fox for the 351 to fit proper. Not much room for the headers either.
Yep I like oe ****......but 7.5s suck for a m6 car.
As you can tell from alot of guys on here. ....... I'm sure you could kill alot of bolt on ls1's back then. My car went 12.6 @ 112.8 back in the day with the ls1........no tire.....poop headers.....stock catback. .......full weight.......no tune.....on the oe 17's. ......ls1 intake..........stock gear.......nothing special. I wound say your h/c fox would be one of the stronger ones. And with my car being fairly mild you would've had your hands full. Especially being those times came from Dixon.
Sure it's not your problem fcars rears were less than ideal. But the rear and weight of the fox is the only thing that kept it in the ball park. It don't do much good to have a larger more powerful engine if you can't use the power or you basically give the other car a running start.
How am I one way? Buy wanting to equal up weight/ rear strength? For christ sakes we're talking h/c furd vs bolt-on lt
You have to change the steering and put a hood on a fox for the 351 to fit proper. Not much room for the headers either.
Yep I like oe ****......but 7.5s suck for a m6 car.
As you can tell from alot of guys on here. ....... I'm sure you could kill alot of bolt on ls1's back then. My car went 12.6 @ 112.8 back in the day with the ls1........no tire.....poop headers.....stock catback. .......full weight.......no tune.....on the oe 17's. ......ls1 intake..........stock gear.......nothing special. I wound say your h/c fox would be one of the stronger ones. And with my car being fairly mild you would've had your hands full. Especially being those times came from Dixon.
Sure it's not your problem fcars rears were less than ideal. But the rear and weight of the fox is the only thing that kept it in the ball park. It don't do much good to have a larger more powerful engine if you can't use the power or you basically give the other car a running start.
Brb going to go find a rock to argue with
01-26-2014, 10:43 PM
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Now you're getting really ridiculous. I honestly think you're just backing him up cuz he drives an F-body.
01-26-2014, 10:48 PM
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Y'all have yet given me any reason as to why heads aren't a bolt on. And then y'all call me names on top of that. It seems like y'all dont know what y'all are talking about to me. Hell i even consider headers in the category of exhaust and not bolt ons
01-26-2014, 10:52 PM
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01-26-2014, 10:52 PM
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This deserved its own quote. My God.