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Not with stock wheels,all sway bars on and full weight with spare tire and jack in the car. Auto maybe. They could match the MPH and beat it. ET wise I don't. You are comparing times I ran in the late 90s to guys now. Bolt on LT1s were running mid 12s back then. Back then I was killing LS1s easy. Once the cammed ones came out I had to go with a blower.
I can get a 302 heads cam car to smash a bolt on lt1 easy now days. The know how and parts are much better
I can get a 302 heads cam car to smash a bolt on lt1 easy now days. The know how and parts are much better
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
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Yeah, Mike, I'm with you on the 351 or Coyote. It gives HiO nightmares to think an LS1 gets eaten by the new 5.0 ![Icon Lol](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_lol.gif)
Mac, between referencing Powerblock on TV and saying heads are a bolt on, I think you're just trolling. Hell, you may be redfire and finally changed your posting style. Kudos to you. I know you can't legitimately be that dumb.
Hammer lmfao you knew what he meant but you're grasping at straws. Higher ratio rockers make the valve see more lift. The valve gives 0 ***** if the higher lift is a result of a bigger cam or different rockers. More lift is what happens. You did good, though, real good!
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Mac, between referencing Powerblock on TV and saying heads are a bolt on, I think you're just trolling. Hell, you may be redfire and finally changed your posting style. Kudos to you. I know you can't legitimately be that dumb.
Hammer lmfao you knew what he meant but you're grasping at straws. Higher ratio rockers make the valve see more lift. The valve gives 0 ***** if the higher lift is a result of a bigger cam or different rockers. More lift is what happens. You did good, though, real good!
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I have considered rockers abolt on since my old scb days. They were with the fox crowd to. ..... As Mike said.
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
Why an F-car when you can do this
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I think the problem is that with the GM stuff you can run alot of OEM parts thus saving money in most situations. Its hard to come across a fast NA ford here. I know you can get a 351w for ****, my buddy pulled one out of a van for $300. But the problem is aftermarket castings is the only choice am i right? Or is there anything budget friendly that will make power?
I have considered rockers abolt on since my old scb days. They were with the fox crowd to. ..... As Mike said.
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
2) No you don't
3) That's only the 13512652431th time we've all seen you type that. And the 351W in my friend Tyler's '83 foxbody seemed to fit just fine.
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I think the problem is that with the GM stuff you can run alot of OEM parts thus saving money in most situations. Its hard to come across a fast NA ford here. I know you can get a 351w for ****, my buddy pulled one out of a van for $300. But the problem is aftermarket castings is the only choice am i right? Or is there anything budget friendly that will make power?
I have considered rockers abolt on since my old scb days. They were with the fox crowd to. ..... As Mike said.
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
You know me. .....I like oe parts. A 351 is not that great then. Besides they fit in a fox like ****.
You was not killing many ls1's with a 107 - 110 trap very often unless they were not driven up to par. I could see you hole shoting one and holding on for the win. But you better hope they were stock.
Bolt on lt's may have been mi 12's back then. ....... but you seem to forget they probably still had the 10 bolt to deal with and the car was heavier. Equal that **** up and its lights out h/c furd.
If you want to compare engines then you have to equal some **** up. Foxes are lighter, just the way it is. That light weight makes them suffer in some areas of performance and excel at a acceleration.
There are reasons why you can buy a k member to put Chevy's in a fox. Now can you imagine putting the furd motor in a heavier fcar.........lmao
Only reason I never did a 351 based motor is that I could not disguise it and I wanted to keep the stock hood. Back then you couldn't. Now days you can. For a while you could get a 351 aluminum block from Ford racing. I should have went that route instead of an Rblock. I made a lot of mistakes but that is part of the hobby.
351s fit in Fox just fine hell Ford racing sold a kit so you needed nothing to do it.
Not my problem Fbodies had ten bolts. They had cubes and compression on me. Run what you brung. It deflated a lot of egos when after LS guys were waving their 305-315RWHP dyno slips-they got slapped. Only LS I lost to was a sprayed auto with converter back then. He got me out of the hole,blew a headgasket but could not make up the ground. Oh well can't win them all.
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Yeah, Mike, I'm with you on the 351 or Coyote. It gives HiO nightmares to think an LS1 gets eaten by the new 5.0 ![Icon Lol](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_lol.gif)
Mac, between referencing Powerblock on TV and saying heads are a bolt on, I think you're just trolling. Hell, you may be redfire and finally changed your posting style. Kudos to you. I know you can't legitimately be that dumb.
Hammer lmfao you knew what he meant but you're grasping at straws. Higher ratio rockers make the valve see more lift. The valve gives 0 ***** if the higher lift is a result of a bigger cam or different rockers. More lift is what happens. You did good, though, real good!
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Mac, between referencing Powerblock on TV and saying heads are a bolt on, I think you're just trolling. Hell, you may be redfire and finally changed your posting style. Kudos to you. I know you can't legitimately be that dumb.
Hammer lmfao you knew what he meant but you're grasping at straws. Higher ratio rockers make the valve see more lift. The valve gives 0 ***** if the higher lift is a result of a bigger cam or different rockers. More lift is what happens. You did good, though, real good!
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Snake95 read that and get educated please. http://www.macmillandictionary.com/d...ritish/bolt-on
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All the GM guys reading this are face palming....HARD.
Here, I'll do it myself.
Hey LS guys, are heads considered a "bolt on"?
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So i guess when you go and BOLT ON new heads to your LS1 its still doesn't count as a BOLT ON right...... makes perfect sense..... i guess you just glue them on right or better yet you wield them on even with the gaskets in place to....
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Snake95 read that and get educated please. http://www.macmillandictionary.com/d...ritish/bolt-on
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All the GM guys reading this are face palming....HARD.
Here, I'll do it myself.
Hey LS guys, are heads considered a "bolt on"?
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You found some random *** site off the Internet to use as a definition to aid your argument.... Then tell someone to get educated, When you change the heads on a car it becomes out of the realm of a "bolt on" car it becomes a Heads/Cam car because if you're not changing the cam there Is 0 reason to go aftermarket heads. You bolt on a blower is it no longer a blower but simply a "bolt on" ?