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05-09-2014, 06:24 AM
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Secondly, 1 5/8 inch ebay obx headers on that car are crap..... maybe if it were $600 2 inch headers I could see the point.
500 whp n/a for under ~$1k is something a coyote 5.0 owner can only dream about.
As for the fast 1/4 mile times..... of course the mustang-only purpose built sra s197 is going to be faster than the heavy irs zeta platform at the dragstrip.
Lighter, easier to package, more torque, easier to work on, more potential n/a, much cheaper to modify with substantially better results n/a, just as much capability for f/i apps.
LS3>5.0.
How about we play a mock scenario?
Let's put the 5.0 in a 5th gen Camaro... would it be faster or slower?
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05-09-2014, 06:32 AM
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Do you know what "cam only" means? This is ls1tech, correct? Or is this a mustang forum?
Secondly, 1 5/8 inch ebay obx headers on that car are crap..... maybe if it were $600 2 inch headers I could see the point. But 500 whp n/a for under $1k is something a coyote 5.0 owner can only dream about.
Secondly, 1 5/8 inch ebay obx headers on that car are crap..... maybe if it were $600 2 inch headers I could see the point. But 500 whp n/a for under $1k is something a coyote 5.0 owner can only dream about.
And yes i know what cam only means ls world means cam only with full bolt ons.
05-09-2014, 06:35 AM
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I'm comparing the LS3 and 5.0 coyote engines, you're more so comparing the zeta and s197 platforms.
Like I said, let's play a mock scenario.
Would a 5th gen Camaro be faster or slower with a 5.0 coyote?
Like I said, let's play a mock scenario.
Would a 5th gen Camaro be faster or slower with a 5.0 coyote?
05-09-2014, 06:36 AM
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05-09-2014, 06:51 AM
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Edit: "Only motor that's fast in the 5th gen" ? You are also then saying the L99 is superior to the LSA in the ZL1.... as well as the LS7 in the Z/28?
05-09-2014, 07:02 AM
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Back to the question, "Would a 5th gen Camaro be faster or slower with a 5.0 coyote?".
I don't think any of them would break 12's stock.
That's my 2 cents.
I only mentioned the ZL1 because you referred the L99, so I mentioned another 5th gen V8 model with an automatic.
I don't think any of them would break 12's stock.
That's my 2 cents.
I only mentioned the ZL1 because you referred the L99, so I mentioned another 5th gen V8 model with an automatic.
05-09-2014, 07:08 AM
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Here is a dynograph of a stock LS3 and a stock 5.0.
They make seem peak #'s, but under the curve there is simply no comparison. LS3 takes the cake.
The 5.0 would not do so well with the extra weight, 20-22 inch wheels, big brakes, etc. It's torque curve just isn't up to snuff with an LS3.
How is a 5th gen going to be faster with less power everywhere in the curve, as well as a 10% cut in torque throughout the curve on top of that?
05-09-2014, 07:35 AM
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But i do agree the tq curve is much better in the ls3. Not doubting that but after 6k rpms it falls on its face. One thing i do like about my 5.0 is my car is still pulling strong past 7k rpms. And thats were i do most of my racing my rpms rarely dip below 5800.
05-09-2014, 07:44 AM
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All the tests I have seen from cammed coyotes show them in the 440-450 whp range with full bolt ons. The only coyote posted here that has even made over 500 had heads and cams.
A coyote will not make and has not made over 500 with "just cams" and bolt ons. Another lie.
Comp cams themselves only got 434 whp with stage 2 cams, full exhaust, tune, cai.
A coyote will not make and has not made over 500 with "just cams" and bolt ons. Another lie.
Comp cams themselves only got 434 whp with stage 2 cams, full exhaust, tune, cai.
05-09-2014, 08:17 AM
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I know all dynos can read different, but a friend of mine had Speed Inc fit his '10 SS LS3 with 238/244 cam, UD pulley, 1 7/8" long tubes, 3" ORX, Magnaflow catback, coldair intake, tuned on there Dynojet it made 475whp. Besides pushrods, plugs and wires the car was otherwise stock. That **** cost waaaaay over $1000. Not every "cam only" LS3 Camaro is getting 500whp, and certainly not for $1000. Heck a dyno tune usually costs $400-500 alone, cam itself is $350-425, not to mention all the gaskets and bolts that need replaced. $1000 for 500whp, who is that guy trying to fool?
05-09-2014, 08:23 AM
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I know all dynos can read different, but a friend of mine had Speed Inc fit his '10 SS LS3 with 238/244 cam, UD pulley, 1 7/8" long tubes, 3" ORX, Magnaflow catback, coldair intake, tuned on there Dynojet it made 475whp. Besides pushrods, plugs and wires the car was otherwise stock. That **** cost waaaaay over $1000. Not every "cam only" LS3 Camaro is getting 500whp, and certainly not for $1000. Heck a dyno tune usually costs $400-500 alone, cam itself is $350-425, not to mention all the gaskets and bolts that need replaced. $1000 for 500whp, who is that guy trying to fool?