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Old Feb 17, 2016 | 06:54 PM
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Hio overlooks the fact that now GM is actually gearing their cars worth a damn nowadays after learning from Ford to properly gear a car for its ideal powerband. The old days of gear swaps being one of the first change on pony cars is over.

Gearing combined with more power, less weight (than 5G), and a nice size stall make for a good 60 and good performer.
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ThoR294
Physics stay the same mang. I'm sure someone from a rear end manufacturer can go all science on you and explain anti-squat and ****, but live axle > IRS in drag racing. end of story.
This^ torque =squat, weight transfer etc... lol
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Originally Posted by ThoR294
Physics stay the same mang. I'm sure someone from a rear end manufacturer can go all science on you and explain anti-squat and ****, but live axle > IRS in drag racing. end of story.
Are you a physicist?

So you think anti squat can't be built into irs?.....lol.....ok

The reality is why irs works better than sra is all about physics.....you wouldn't understand. And I'm not just talking about drag racing here. Traction in general
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Hio overlooks the fact that now GM is actually gearing their cars worth a damn nowadays after learning from Ford to properly gear a car for its ideal powerband. The old days of gear swaps being one of the first change on pony cars is over.

Gearing combined with more power, less weight (than 5G), and a nice size stall make for a good 60 and good performer.
I agree.....edge would go to 5gen if it was geared as hard as 5br0s. Probably wouldn't even have been a drivers race.
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Are you a physicist?

So you think anti squat can't be built into irs?.....lol.....ok

The reality is why irs works better than sra is all about physics.....you wouldn't understand. And I'm not just talking about drag racing here. Traction in general
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Old Feb 17, 2016 | 09:28 PM
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From what I have read in sr&k, that was an average pass for a bone stock 6th gen and a HELL of a pass for the gt500. Awesome driver to dip into the 13's like that.
Yes here on SRK all bone stock 6 gens run high 11s AT THE SLOWEST. And GT500s run high 14s. John Force takes them to 13.90s.
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Yes here on SRK all bone stock 6 gens run high 11s AT THE SLOWEST. And GT500s run high 14s. John Force takes them to 13.90s.
95% accurate, except the John Force part is a little much.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Are you a physicist?

So you think anti squat can't be built into irs?.....lol.....ok

The reality is why irs works better than sra is all about physics.....you wouldn't understand. And I'm not just talking about drag racing here. Traction in general

I like my SRA's for strength, but I do understand what you are getting at, if you have any body roll to one side which usually happens in drag racing. You keep the tires planted squarely on the ground, I guess a sra can through weight transfer apply more pressure to a corner causing 1 tire to squat more and cause uneven pressure across a wide tire on the other side. IIRC that's how I read it a while back in article. It sounded legitimate but who knows. You also have more adjustability but that would be needed with all the flex going on. Maby in the future it will be more common to use it instead of going sra?

Edit the article I was reading was talking about street or bracket cars not pro stocks or funny cars etc. If I can find it I'll post up a link

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Coming from a mostly JDM country, we have not really had LRA cars for 20-30 years here. Only farm utes etc. Even the Holdens moved to IRS yonks ago.

And we have plenty of near stock suspension IRS cars in the 10s and 9s... I'm shooting for high 10s in my LS3 S2000 when it's done. They're IRS and have run in the 8s. Mine has enough power, it's just skill, tyre, setup and surface are main limitations.

And anti squat and all that jazz is easily done on IRS with active/magnetic suspension.
And that suspension is not really any heavier than normal stuff for a larger car, I have one of the first models from an 09' HSV...
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by S2KIWI
Coming from a mostly JDM country, we have not really had LRA cars for 20-30 years here. Only farm utes etc. Even the Holdens moved to IRS yonks ago.

And we have plenty of near stock suspension IRS cars in the 10s and 9s... I'm shooting for high 10s in my LS3 S2000 when it's done. They're IRS and have run in the 8s. Mine has enough power, it's just skill, tyre, setup and surface are main limitations.

And anti squat and all that jazz is easily done on IRS with active/magnetic suspension.
And that suspension is not really any heavier than normal stuff for a larger car, I have one of the first models from an 09' HSV...
It seems that IRS cars bottom out around 8s.....that is pretty good for the average "proto-joe".
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by S2KIWI
Coming from a mostly JDM country, we have not really had LRA cars for 20-30 years here. Only farm utes etc. Even the Holdens moved to IRS yonks ago.

And we have plenty of near stock suspension IRS cars in the 10s and 9s... I'm shooting for high 10s in my LS3 S2000 when it's done. They're IRS and have run in the 8s. Mine has enough power, it's just skill, tyre, setup and surface are main limitations.

And anti squat and all that jazz is easily done on IRS with active/magnetic suspension.
And that suspension is not really any heavier than normal stuff for a larger car, I have one of the first models from an 09' HSV...
Lower sprung weight center also helps when you have a light car like that with a big motor.
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:14 PM
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Gt 500's have been known to run 12's
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Gt 500's have been known to run 12's
And they have been 7s for a hero time?
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Gt 500's have been known to run 12's
And some low to mid 13's at our track
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeohgie69
And some low to mid 13's at our track
Much like the 14 second LS1 cahs and fif gens at my track
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ZNix
Much like the 14 second LS1 cahs and fif gens at my track
They have at our track too.... But what kind of power is that gt500 making again?

All joking aside, that is pretty bad performance for what I've seen some of the run. Some due to bad drivers, some drive the hell out of it. Seems like one out of every 5 run decent and I was quite disappointed the first time I lined up against one, I was hoping for a good run
Old Feb 17, 2016 | 11:42 PM
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If they made auto gt500's you'd see a lot less of these crap times
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Originally Posted by Nick.H
If they made auto gt500's you'd see a lot less of these crap times
Very true.
Old Feb 18, 2016 | 01:00 AM
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Still though for what they are, you see better times out of m6 fbody's that you do out of them as far as power to weight with the times. Meaning I'm not saying the fbody runs a faster trap or et, but for what the cars are, they perform better.

I've honestly seen more consistent, better times out of the new coyote's that run. An auto would run better, but I still don't think it would run how they should for being does top mustang.
Old Feb 18, 2016 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick.H
If they made auto gt500's you'd see a lot less of these crap times
And see less of them bitching about auto's



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