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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Built top to bottom 2v stroker = not much aftermarket. Cool

NA modulars stuck in the 9's while old pushrod platforms are running 7's. Cool.


Modular squeaks a 5 second pass in a promod which in that world is quite slow. Cool.
There is one head choice for the 2V, none for the 4V. There are a handful of cams, and a couple of stroker kits. Compared to the old 5.0L or the LSx, or any GM, that is nothing.

NA is the only argument that you have right now, it's weak.

And the LSx promod cars are even slower. Cool.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ZNix
Correction, 11lbs and 15lbs stock for stock. I love your rounding skills
Actually lsa is rated at 8.5 psi. Some round that up to 9
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...eeps-clothing/

Regardless i was right on the spread. The spread is what really matters here.
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LSA was a huge disappointment. rated at 580, and they put down a whopping 440rwhp average... very poor numbers for the rating... so I would say the 520-550 crank number would be more accurate.

5.8 boost level was 15psi.
The lsa bitch smacked all pre 13 gt100s.
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Hio ain't known for his math skillz or IQ man.

He loves boost....no CFM.
Seems as tho they go hand in hand. Have ypu hooked up that cfm guage yet?
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Where did I say stock? I said factory block and heads. Meaning the block itself didn't require modification to shove 60PSI down it's gullet. I'm not sure that an LSx block could even take that level of punishment without cracking.

I saw a bunch of if's and maybes in that article. It MIGHT have had more in it, but they didn't push it to find out.. Your theories mean nothing, it's all about proven results.

Straight line is the ONLY thing that matters when you're talking about an LSx vs Mod fight.

You keep getting caught up in the physical dimensions, it might be the external size of a big block, but he size of the cylinder is all that matters when it comes to power production.

There was never anything to admit, the NA aftermarket for a mod motor is non existent, thus we will never know. There is potential to be even with the LSx, but it's never been done, so it.



I've seen others lay the fucksmack down on you in the boost vs CFM department, I will leave it in their capable hands. All I know is that they used the same displacement blower in the trinity and LS9, and the trinity walked all over it.

If the mod motors are junk and run .5 and 27mph faster than the best LSx, what does that say about the LSx?



I am bragging about 500RWP on a motor with barely any aftermarket and a bunch of GM guys saying it can't make power.


Don't care about what the SBC and BBP did, anymore than you care about a 3K HP BBF.

I only care about the modular vs LSx argument.

All you have to defend GM is a tire class? Wow.



I was doing the same thing that you were doing, if's and maybes. Only difference is that I had something to compare to.

I was saying that on a cubic inch scale, that the mod motor was right with the LSx; and had ford gone the NA, big cube route, they would have hung right with GM.

Hence the 4.6 vs 4.8L, 5.3 vs 5.4L, and the Boss 315 vs the LS3. Again though, that is if's and maybes. We will never know, because ford and the ford aftermarket put their energy into boosted.
Lol.....i bring up simple logic they can't grasp.

Ls thrashes furd na. So does the old sbc.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
The lsa bitch smacked all pre 13 gt100s.

Actually you would be wrong... but keep thinking that. My bone stock 2012 GT500 put down more than the average ZL1 did. They are slow, and heavy.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Actually you would be wrong... but keep thinking that. My bone stock 2012 GT500 put down more than the average ZL1 did. They are slow, and heavy.
Agreed. My race buddy had the fastest M6 ZL1 in North America for 1.5 years. He couldn't beat my SLB Shelbr0 with his built LSA with a blower swap.

He finally gave up and now has a built LSA, blower swap, automagic Zl1 he's trying to beat me with this season.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Actually you would be wrong... but keep thinking that. My bone stock 2012 GT500 put down more than the average ZL1 did. They are slow, and heavy.
Ummm...Google is your friend. The ZL1 is faster than all pre-2013 GT500s. The whole 440whp from the ZL1 LSA....maybe 490.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
Ummm...Google is your friend. The ZL1 is faster than all pre-2013 GT500s. The whole 440whp from the ZL1 LSA....maybe 490.
And how fast is your's?
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
And how fast is your's?
Don't know. Can't put the power to the ground with the street tires. But I still beat all the GT500 and 5.0s that show up anyway. Shal we review the vids? Track sux! I haven't been back.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
Don't know. Can't put the power to the ground with the street tires. But I still beat all the GT500 and 5.0s that show up anyway. Shal we review the vids? Track sux! I haven't been back.
So....your reality don't match the internet hero times. sadness

Stick to internet racing dude!
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
So....your reality don't match the internet hero times. sadness

Stick to internet racing dude!
As slow as I am, It doesn't matter what I run here I'm still faster than the bros and GT500s here. That makes them sloowweeerrr. I guess so should all the 9sec + 373 whp weak *** 5bros here to huh. You know, because they ARE NOT 7 sec cars here. Even they laugh when we talk about 7 sec bros and how they are ZL1 killers. The light mod Masdaspeed 3 only made 20 less than the modded bros on the dyno yesterday. Pathetic. It sucks that I'm still in the Mustang/SVT club.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
As slow as I am, It doesn't matter what I run here I'm still faster than the bros and GT500s here. That makes them sloowweeerrr. I guess so should all the 9sec + 373 whp weak *** 5bros here to huh. You know, because they ARE NOT 7 sec cars here. Even they laugh when we talk about 7 sec bros and how they are ZL1 killers. The light mod Masdaspeed 3 only made 20 less than the modded bros on the dyno yesterday. Pathetic. It sucks that I'm still in the Mustang/SVT club.
Proofs?
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JC316
There is one head choice for the 2V, none for the 4V. There are a handful of cams, and a couple of stroker kits. Compared to the old 5.0L or the LSx, or any GM, that is nothing.

NA is the only argument that you have right now, it's weak.

And the LSx promod cars are even slower. Cool.
So the mod motor sucks NA. Got it.

What promod lsx cars?
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
Proofs?
https://ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1826844-few-strip-runs-last-night.html
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
https://ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1826844-few-strip-runs-last-night.html
That really does show how shitty of a driver you are. Thanks for that proof. lol
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
That really does show how shitty of a driver you are. Thanks for that proof. lol
And yet all the Mustangs lost. Amazing.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
And yet all the Mustangs lost. Amazing.
Them automagic ZL1's are so hard to make go fast. I feel your pain br0.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Built top to bottom 2v stroker = not much aftermarket. Cool

NA modulars stuzck in the 9's while old pushrod platforms are running 7's. Cool.


Modular squeaks a 5 second pass in a promod which in that world is quite slow. Cool.
5.89 is te rdcent fastest. I watch pro mod every wek
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
Them automagic ZL1's are so hard to make go fast. I feel your pain br0.
Mine is a M6. But keep trying.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ****** srt8
Mine is a M6. But keep trying.
#nohope for you then.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by islander033
#nohope for you then.
No hope at this track anyway. That's why I stopped going.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JC316
Where did I say stock? I said factory block and heads. Meaning the block itself didn't require modification to shove 60PSI down it's gullet. I'm not sure that an LSx block could even take that level of punishment without cracking.
"stock block and heads"
Lets not kid ourselves, the block and heads have been at least dry decked.
Straight line is the ONLY thing that matters when you're talking about an LSx vs Mod fight.
Why is that?

You keep getting caught up in the physical dimensions, it might be the external size of a big block, but he size of the cylinder is all that matters when it comes to power production.
A lot more to it than the size of the cylinders, but still comparing displacement of different engines is just moronic. Power is power no matter what the displacement is, there is no advantage to making the same amount of power out of smaller displacement, however make the same power out of a smaller, lighter engine and you will have a faster all around car.

There was never anything to admit, the NA aftermarket for a mod motor is non existent, thus we will never know. There is potential to be even with the LSx, but it's never been done, so it.
You specifically said:
"He says the mod motors can't make power NA, yet they compete with or outperform the best GM has."
Which is 100% false whether you are talking about stock or modded. NO WHERE did you say in that quote any stipulation about displacement.

I am bragging about 500RWP on a motor with barely any aftermarket and a bunch of GM guys saying it can't make power.
Doesn't need an aftermarket when the guy does all the custom work himself.

I was saying that on a cubic inch scale, that the mod motor was right with the LSx; and had ford gone the NA, big cube route, they would have hung right with GM.
Too bad the "CI scale" scale is irrelevant, and filled with nothing but "ifs", tears, and tissues. Why not compare power per valve? Power per cam? Power to weight?
Thats an apples to oranges comparison at best. Its the same thing that the honda cheerleaders cry about "Wah if honda made a V8 it would crush all the american V8s cus hp/l and vtec yo"

Hence the 4.6 vs 4.8L, 5.3 vs 5.4L, and the Boss 315 vs the LS3. Again though, that is if's and maybes. We will never know, because ford and the ford aftermarket put their energy into boosted.
Or you could compare the engines that came in the cars they were meant to compete with? But you wouldn't want to do that because GM would come out on top...
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