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Old 09-04-2016, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Not just the motor. The a8 is a year newer. Also the pcm in the camaro is trickier.

Guy just went 10.8@126 with a converter and cam. DA was around 2500 and temp was 85f. Just an average joes car with a drag pack. Not stripped. Mid ten second car NA with stock heads this fall. Probably near 130 mph. Just insane performance for so few mods. Oh and he has a 150 shot it's set up for and he was running the nitrous tune. Car made 515 rwhp through the a8.
So you are saying he picked up over 120rwhp with just a cam? Or with nitrous too? Hard to believe just a cam did that. A8s put down 390ish rwhp stock on average
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
So you are saying he picked up over 120rwhp with just a cam? Or with nitrous too? Hard to believe just a cam did that. A8s put down 390ish rwhp stock on average
No it had longtubes, CAI and e85. You know the terminology for cam only. Most have supporting mods. Converter was a 3600. They will actually make good power with the stock tri y and cam but not quite as good.

Still stock intake manifold and heads though.

Gpi stage 4 cam. Rhino sells them. He could give more details im sure. It's a big cam probably good for ~80 rwhp.

I thought it was impressive for one of the first known cam only builds in average conditions etc.

It made 515 na. 64x on the juice. He's expecting 9s
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
No it had longtubes, CAI and e85. You know the terminology for cam only. Most have supporting mods. Converter was a 3600. They will actually make good power with the stock tri y and cam but not quite as good.

Still stock intake manifold and heads though.

Gpi stage 4 cam. Rhino sells them. He could give more details im sure. It's a big cam probably good for ~80 rwhp.

I thought it was impressive for one of the first known cam only builds in average conditions etc.

It made 515 na. 64x on the juice. He's expecting 9s
Hopefully it holds together. Sounds like a sweet setup. Time will tell if the HPFP become an issue. DI is a tricky setup
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As the years go by I'm sure we'll see some 10 second bolt on 6Gs. Camaro has caught up to Mustangs in bolt on capability with the 6G and even surpassed them I think.
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There was no catching up to do. The ls3 will make more power than the 5br0 in bolt on form......same hp but more tq = more power. Most just don't because they get cam hungry.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
There was no catching up to do. The ls3 will make more power than the 5br0 in bolt on form......same hp but more tq = more power. Most just don't because they get cam hungry.
Definitely some catching up to do. Many bolt on 5.0s in the 10's. Can't say the same for the 5G
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Originally Posted by assasinator
You are simple and one dimensional. Neither outflow 2015 heads. Both 6.2 LT AND LS BENEFIT FROM THEIR CAM PHASING
The only ls engine that benefited from cam phasing was the l99......and most deleted it

Nothing delusional here. The ls/lt stuff just flat wears out the coyote stuff n/a.
Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Full 8000 rpm+ road race screamer built bottom end, heads, cams and on race fuel absolute full sausage to the max livernois coyote barely hit 600 hp on an engine dyno. With no bottom end and no driveability.

An lt1 and even ls3 can hit that with a backyard build with off the shelf parts on 93 octane and still have bottom end. And THEN after that they aren't cube limited.

NA for NA it's not even a contest. It's comparable to an ls1 in realistic max NA hp output. Welcome to 1996 Furd...
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You really hate e85 huh? Yall would really be butthurt to see what the car can do on 93 eh?

Only 6gens encountered are stock so for .. not many modded.
No i like e85. It's not in my neck of the woods. I also see no purpose in talking hp numbers with engines on 2 different fuels. It skews the outcome. I've been around professional racing.......where they test fuels.
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
So you are saying he picked up over 120rwhp with just a cam? Or with nitrous too? Hard to believe just a cam did that. A8s put down 390ish rwhp stock on average
Pretty close poppa and I think I might know who ultra is talking about (if it's the same guy). The shop I went to dyno'd a bone stock ss a8 and it made 409 to the ground in 92 degree texas heat. There is a guy in the Baytown area (Houston) with a white ss on drag pack, cam, and a tune, and a 3600 converter who did clock a 10.85 on motor. I hoestly cannot remember what he trapped bc of bs rumors floating around.
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Originally Posted by Fast02Z06
Pretty close poppa and I think I might know who ultra is talking about (if it's the same guy). The shop I went to dyno'd a bone stock ss a8 and it made 409 to the ground in 92 degree texas heat. There is a guy in the Baytown area (Houston) with a white ss on drag pack, cam, and a tune, and a 3600 converter who did clock a 10.85 on motor. I hoestly cannot remember what he trapped bc of bs rumors floating around.
I'm hoping tuners work out most of the kinks with the a8 and get the knowledge for them. Seeing a few a8s with cam, bolt ons, and nitrous the trans sounds like it hates life upon nitrous activation
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
I'm hoping tuners work out most of the kinks with the a8 and get the knowledge for them. Seeing a few a8s with cam, bolt ons, and nitrous the trans sounds like it hates life upon nitrous activation
Which is strange for such a strong transmission.
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The amount of stupidity and uneducated people on here about Coyotes is simply amazing. Carry on..
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Originally Posted by Fast02Z06
Pretty close poppa and I think I might know who ultra is talking about (if it's the same guy). The shop I went to dyno'd a bone stock ss a8 and it made 409 to the ground in 92 degree texas heat. There is a guy in the Baytown area (Houston) with a white ss on drag pack, cam, and a tune, and a 3600 converter who did clock a 10.85 on motor. I hoestly cannot remember what he trapped bc of bs rumors floating around.
126.5 mph.

Looks like a kick *** build. It was 85f for the run and the slip didn't say time of day but it was 2-3k DA most of the day. Hasn't had a whole lot of time since the cam install it looks like. Should go plenty faster especially in the fall.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...427506&page=19
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http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438063
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Noticed a lot of real world times in the last 2 pages, high 11s with test pipes tune and DR with a 115 trap. 110-112 stock or stock with intake running mid to high 12s.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
I would hope someone in their 40's has raced more than a mid 20's guy.

Does Marc ever race anyone?

When your own last street race was in 2013 and last slips posted were in 2014 You crack me up

To answer your question, yes, I do race - more than you as of late has been documented.
A bolt-on LS car running 10's years ago is still more impressive than a bolt-on Yote running 12s currently. You should take notes from your Hio young grass hopper.
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Originally Posted by CyberGrey Z28
A bolt-oin LS car running 10's years ago is still more impressive than a bolt-on Yote running 12s currently. You should take notes from your Hio young grass hopper.
Fixed it for you

Just got my car in 2015. If he is the standard, looks like I have another 11 years to run 10's like he did

Not to mention, the 12.2@114 run was my old time
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Originally Posted by BlkMach1
Noticed a lot of real world times in the last 2 pages, high 11s with test pipes tune and DR with a 115 trap. 110-112 stock or stock with intake running mid to high 12s.
nice job ignoring temps, DA and 60 ft times. He ran 12.1 @ 115 earlier in the year stock on stock tires in 2100 DA. test pipes...4hp...pump tune 8-10 hp...he didn't improve on his 60 much if at all IIRC with those DRs...crappy prep that night.

They can click off times as fast or faster than the all time quickest stock s550s in crap DA/conditions with no driver and or prep. The same situations in which the s550 is a 13 second car.

They are a half second gap stock for stock...old news.
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
They are a half second gap stock for stock...old news.
Old news indeed
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
nice job ignoring temps, DA and 60 ft times. He ran 12.1 @ 115 earlier in the year stock on stock tires in 2100 DA. test pipes...4hp...pump tune 8-10 hp...he didn't improve on his 60 much if at all IIRC with those DRs...crappy prep that night.

They can click off times as fast or faster than the all time quickest stock s550s in crap DA/conditions with no driver and or prep. The same situations in which the s550 is a 13 second car.

They are a half second gap stock for stock...old news.
I dont have mine shaft air, normal DA for me is ~2000
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Originally Posted by BlkMach1
I dont have mine shaft air, normal DA for me is ~2000

Well...he ran a 12.1 @ 115 with 2100 DA. Id consider mineshaft under sea level...hence the mineshaft term. Those test pipes are secondary cat deletes. They gain near 10hp if you remove the primaries. The secondary delete is more of a sound mod.

How does that compare to your bone stock times in that DA?

Your track could also be slower than just what the DA shows....that's just one aspect.

Id be surprised to see a stock s550 quicker than ~12.8 in 2000+ DA.
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Well...he ran a 12.1 @ 115 with 2100 DA. Id consider mineshaft under sea level...hence the mineshaft term. Those test pipes are secondary cat deletes. They gain near 10hp if you remove the primaries. The secondary delete is more of a sound mod.

How does that compare to your bone stock times in that DA?

Your track could also be slower than just what the DA shows....that's just one aspect.

Id be surprised to see a stock s550 quicker than ~12.8 in 2000+ DA.
I only went once to PBIR bone stock, only got one run since people have a tendency to either blow motors or refuse to stop at the end of the track. So it was a clusterfuck that night sitting in the lanes idling. I ran 13.0 @109 with a 2.1x 60ft in DA over 2000. I went around and sat in the lanes for another 45 minutes before I said screw this and left. From what I remember there's a good number of people running mid 12s stock. There's a guy with a couple bolt ons, tune and DRs running 11.1 @ 121. I haven't been back since but want to go when I get some tires.


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