Bolt on Mach 1 destroys bolt on LS1 Z28
12-18-2016, 06:17 PM
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12-18-2016, 06:28 PM
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I could see the oil pump gear not being a bolt on, but it is performance related for spinning the motor and getting it to last. What if someone balanced the bottom end, or changes the rod studs? Kind of the same thing.
Unsealing a motor and changing things like cam position is unsealing a motor and changing things. Not "as it came"
Unsealing a motor and changing things like cam position is unsealing a motor and changing things. Not "as it came"
12-18-2016, 06:39 PM
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12-18-2016, 06:41 PM
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I could see the oil pump gear not being a bolt on, but it is performance related for spinning the motor and getting it to last. What if someone balanced the bottom end, or changes the rod studs? Kind of the same thing.
Unsealing a motor and changing things like cam position is unsealing a motor and changing things. Not "as it came"
Unsealing a motor and changing things like cam position is unsealing a motor and changing things. Not "as it came"
12-18-2016, 06:42 PM
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12-18-2016, 06:43 PM
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I don't care either way just curious about the oil pump gear and degreeing cams? Do you know if it's in any official fast list rules?
12-18-2016, 06:59 PM
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The list rules are what they are, I'm not trying to get on any so not that a big deal for me. But I did a quick search though, and couldn't find any answers to my questions.
I don't care either way just curious about the oil pump gear and degreeing cams? Do you know if it's in any official fast list rules?
I don't care either way just curious about the oil pump gear and degreeing cams? Do you know if it's in any official fast list rules?
IMO OPG isn't SLB and physically opening up the motor to degree cams isn't either.
Hio is crying about toon and VVT. I don't know of any br0s that physically degree stock cams, so there's that.
12-18-2016, 07:17 PM
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I don't consider OPG a bolt on as it is internally modifying the motor. I'm still spinning my stock OPG 7700-7800 and just letting it eat.
Degreeing the stock cams is done with a tune and we aren't physically doing it ourselves or opening up the motor to do it so I just consider that apart of the tune. I'm sure L99 and other VVT GM motor guys would agree that plugging my handheld to my laptop is a lot less work than physically opening up a motor to degree the cams.
Degreeing the stock cams is done with a tune and we aren't physically doing it ourselves or opening up the motor to do it so I just consider that apart of the tune. I'm sure L99 and other VVT GM motor guys would agree that plugging my handheld to my laptop is a lot less work than physically opening up a motor to degree the cams.
12-18-2016, 07:20 PM
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Hio isn't smart enough to realize it but he often admits the coyote is the superior design when he says since coyotes have all that cam adjustability in the tune he should be allowed to internally mod his motor.
12-18-2016, 08:02 PM
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12-18-2016, 10:32 PM
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Look....autobitch is back. Weren't you suppose to be gone for life?
So are you saying all the fox 5.0 records are null and void?
Your bolt on car woulda got walked. No 2 ways about it. I beat a faster bolt on 5br0 than you.
Fyi.....i went faster than you with bolt ons with out the rocker and on a ls6 itake.
They accept cam timing changes and rockers on all the furd lists.
Converter is full of oil and bolted to the motor......Good point
Coyotes can use tockers if they want. Nbd
You for sure made it up.
Most ls guys don't seem to like rockers for some reason. Maybe that's why. They have for sure always been bolt ons .
Have you noticed none of the furd guys will discredit the old fox stuff for it?? Lol.......point made
Looks like sw says the 5br0s shouldn't adjust cam timing.
I know he thinks they shouldn't run that 50shot of nitrous fuel either.
Troof
So are you saying all the fox 5.0 records are null and void?
We have already went over this. When I was bolt ons would have been a much better race. Marc averaged are times in the same DA and you lost. You know since you guys love to timeslip race and not actually meet up and race.
Yes Doug Rockers is not a bolt on. The Coyote cars are sealed in that class.
Joe-. I will be there.
Yes Doug Rockers is not a bolt on. The Coyote cars are sealed in that class.
Joe-. I will be there.
Fyi.....i went faster than you with bolt ons with out the rocker and on a ls6 itake.
Some consider a rocker as a bolt on, maby not here on this particular sight.
Cam timing is a internal engine mod, do they consider it on the bolt on coyote fastlist?
But iirc hio is correct about the fox fastlist. But some consider a converter a bolt on too, which if not is worth mentioning lol
Cam timing is a internal engine mod, do they consider it on the bolt on coyote fastlist?
But iirc hio is correct about the fox fastlist. But some consider a converter a bolt on too, which if not is worth mentioning lol
Converter is full of oil and bolted to the motor......Good point
Most ls guys don't seem to like rockers for some reason. Maybe that's why. They have for sure always been bolt ons .
Have you noticed none of the furd guys will discredit the old fox stuff for it?? Lol.......point made
Looks like sw says the 5br0s shouldn't adjust cam timing.
I know he thinks they shouldn't run that 50shot of nitrous fuel either.
Troof
12-18-2016, 10:52 PM
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Look....autobitch is back. Weren't you suppose to be gone for life?
So are you saying all the fox 5.0 records are null and void?
Your bolt on car woulda got walked. No 2 ways about it. I beat a faster bolt on 5br0 than you.
Fyi.....i went faster than you with bolt ons with out the rocker and on a ls6 itake.
They accept cam timing changes and rockers on all the furd lists.
Converter is full of oil and bolted to the motor......Good point
Coyotes can use tockers if they want. Nbd
You for sure made it up.
Most ls guys don't seem to like rockers for some reason. Maybe that's why. They have for sure always been bolt ons .
Have you noticed none of the furd guys will discredit the old fox stuff for it?? Lol.......point made
Looks like sw says the 5br0s shouldn't adjust cam timing.
I know he thinks they shouldn't run that 50shot of nitrous fuel either.
Troof
So are you saying all the fox 5.0 records are null and void?
Your bolt on car woulda got walked. No 2 ways about it. I beat a faster bolt on 5br0 than you.
Fyi.....i went faster than you with bolt ons with out the rocker and on a ls6 itake.
They accept cam timing changes and rockers on all the furd lists.
Converter is full of oil and bolted to the motor......Good point
Coyotes can use tockers if they want. Nbd
You for sure made it up.
Most ls guys don't seem to like rockers for some reason. Maybe that's why. They have for sure always been bolt ons .
Have you noticed none of the furd guys will discredit the old fox stuff for it?? Lol.......point made
Looks like sw says the 5br0s shouldn't adjust cam timing.
I know he thinks they shouldn't run that 50shot of nitrous fuel either.
Troof
12-19-2016, 12:31 AM
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Yes, they should be void. I don't understand why people get so worked up over this. If it touches oil, it's not a bolt on, the rules are very simple. Of course, it's up to people to make the rules, technically ANYTHING is a bolt on, since it bolts on to the motor. Heads, cams, superchargers, the works.