Fast02Z06

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Ok then why does it take a lbo e85 s550 to hang and barely beat a bone stock 6g? I have YouTube vids to prove this of me running one 2x. He won 2 out of 3 (barely), and I put half a fender on him on last round.

A lbo non e85 br0 can't hang with a stock 6g. Now it won't get it's *** kicked but also won't beat it. I'm asking this bc according to your theory a stock 6g shouldn't be able to run with a lbo e85 br0 right?

marc97taws6

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I'll have to go back and edit my original post then. I honestly only thought the coyote was better in 2 of the 3 categories, not all 3.

sw07gt

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All I can do is report the results. As far as I know the fast NA 6th gen is a 10.8. Maybe one day the 6th gen guys will put up some numbers instead of chest thumping stock cars and speculating

marc97taws6

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Right there with you, brudder

I suppose we'll add stock vs stock so the 6G at least wins 1 out of 4 categories. I'm a pretty generous guy.

big hammer

LS has been 7's NA. And coyotah?

sw07gt

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Hammer always with the deflection when it's not going his way.

big hammer

They're all SBC br0 no need to be the most upset you've ever been in your life

Fast02Z06

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C'mon Marc this is me I think you of all ppl know I'm not the least bit brand loyal. I would damn skippy rock a s550 with rousch blower proudly today but lets just keep **** in perspective here. I know there are some gm loyalist here that are extreme but I'm not one of them.

Just answer my question if you will (for friendly argument sake). If the 6g wins 1 out of 4 (I disagree) then why did it take a s550 lbo and E85 to barely edge me out 2 out of 3 races and on the 3rd I barely took him? I can post the **** quality video if you want me too?

That basically contradicts you and sw07'd theory wouldn't you say?

Pray

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I am just going to post links you all can go read every detail about my car and it's journey.

Stock. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=470138

Ported IM/TB. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=470138

With RF. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472724 http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473275

Last time out before E85 and Drag pack. http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474145

So doing simple math for all those track geniuses here. I think I should have gone close to 10.70 but math doesn't always work out in real life.

Drag pack. -100lbs sprung weight. -40 lbs of rotating weight on the rear. +.2 tenths
60ft. -.2 tenths on average should have netted me .4 tenths at the end of the track.
DA. It was about 900-1000ft better yesterday then my last time out. +1 tenth
E85. I think we can safely say it is worth 30rw on these cars. +.3 tenths

So with just that and no changes to the tune I should have been able to shave a second off the last 11.70 runs. Only problem is the 11.70's should have been low 11.60's or better on the stock tires but I couldn't control the spin on the shifts for every gear on the way down the track.

The day at the time of the runs was around -1,300 to -1,400 according to drag times and Air density online. But my Kestrel says it was around -900 to -1,000. The Kestrel always reads about 400ft higher than the sites. You take your pick on which you wish to believe. It doesn't effect the gains in the end.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476631

sw07gt

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Better yet, explain to us why it takes a modded s550 to beat a stock 6th gen and only person has managed to make a bolt on 6th gen run a decent time?

big hammer

You're time is very believable imo. And could still hit 10's the way it sits nearly stock

islander033

Hero DA is awesome!

Fast02Z06

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I can't answer to the only person making a 6g run decent time bc it's not me nor am I a track guy. I could give 2 ***** about track times. What I can say is the br0 I ran when bone stock (yes I have 2 out of 3 vids) it was very close although he did beat me 2x, and I barely won the last run (also on vid). How does a stock 6g barely lose 2 races and win 1 race to a lbo e85 bro but according to you and Marc 6g can't hang mod to mod na?

sw07gt

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Thats what I've been asking the 6th gen guys the whole time. Why is the car underperforming so badly when modded.

marc97taws6

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If a car is quicker stock for stock, would it not take the other some mods to beat the quicker stock one?

The gap seems to close with bolt ons and swing to the coyote's favor.

But again, all I have is real world results on paper to go by. Just stating facts. No need to read into it anymore than that. One is quicker than the other. Is what it is.

Fast02Z06

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I wish I had the answer guys as to why once the mods begin YES the favor goes to the br0 especially fi (no arguments there). This is why I'm doing a frankenstien build on mine just to see how she fares (sigh). The best answer I can give is like ultra said, outside of E85 and a tune there just isn't a lot out there mod wise for the lt's yet. THe market is so limited because these things are overpriced and I'm guessing no one has money to spend on mods or are afraid of voiding warranties if the motor goes. I wish the cam choices and tunes were as common as the br0's but we just aren't there as of yet.

marc97taws6

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You guys have ported msd intakes, cold air intakes, headers, full exhaust, CF driveshaft, drag packs out there, and many local 6G dudes are jumping ahead and doing cam only builds.

What am I missing here?

sw07gt

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Heads available too. This motor has been out for 3 years. If the market is limited it just speaks to how far off the demand for Chevy aftermarket has dropped.

marc97taws6

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Your average Camaro owner now just doesn't race.

And when you have sales #s without the 16-20% off deal, there aren't going to be many real racers in there.

Fast02Z06

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msd intakes don't give a whole lot of gains from what I've read. Cai's are useless for the most part, headers and exhaust gets you about 25 -30 maybe 40 maxed effort with a tune. the driveshaft is only good for improving your '60 ft time. A max effort na build at this time is worthless being honest. If one was to get 550 hp and it ran like a 550 rwhp car should it would surprise me on a 6g. Imho it's just better to go heads, cam, blower, headers/exhaust. I don't track my car (I'm a roll racer) so axles and cf 1 pce ds would be a waste to me.