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Old 10-31-2017, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ZYBORG
At no point, did it feel "gutless". Not at 1k rpms not a 2k, 3k or so on.
Perhaps it's relative to what you're used to.

There is no Eaton SC sound. Although the motor's sound was intoxicating (in a very good way).
No **** there isn't a blower. Go back and read what was stated.

As much as I like catfishes and LS motors, comparing it to a stock LS1 is plain silliness. Lol
Not at all. I would tell you to go back and read what was stated, but I think you read well enough. It's the comprehension that you struggle with.
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Perhaps it's relative to what you're used to.



No **** there isn't a blower. Go back and read what was stated.



Not at all. I would tell you to go back and read what was stated, but I think you read well enough. It's the comprehension that you struggle with.
My bad, missed that comma (eaton supercharger comment).

Comparing half the power band to another cars full powerband is silly. Saying that the car is gutless below 4k rpm is just not true.

Continue on with your bad self!
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What's a gt350 run? I thought it was 11's. If that's true that's not bad.
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350s can run 11s at 117-119mph

Its a peppy ****.
Old 10-31-2017, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
I have driven a GT350, and can tell you it's less powerful than a stock LS1 F-body below 4000RPM. After that it feels strong, impressive actually for a naturally aspirated Ford.
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Stock LS1s make 380whp & 370wtq at 4,000rpms now? Wowzers! Must be a special edition 500hp LS1 I don't know about.
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
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So are you saying that a GT350s powerband to 4K makes less hp/tq than the full powerband on a stock f-body LS1...?

Or that the GT350 feels strong and impressive?
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HA and know what I just realized? A GT350 at 4,000rpms is making nearly the same power & torque as 98Cayenne's super powerful HC LS1.
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Originally Posted by ZYBORG
So are you saying that a GT350s powerband to 4K makes less hp/tq than the full powerband on a stock f-body LS1...?

Or that the GT350 feels strong and impressive?
That below 4500 rpms they are dogs. In the higher rpms they do fly. Not bashing the car, I like them. They are solid cars, haul in the higher rpms, and handle awesome.

They just are way lame down low.

Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang
HA and know what I just realized? A GT350 at 4,000rpms is making nearly the same power & torque as 98Cayenne's super powerful HC LS1.
Gt350's run 11.2 ?

Or are we dyno racing ?

Sorry man, you don't seem to be to bright.
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Originally Posted by ZYBORG
Comparing half the power band to another cars full powerband is silly. Saying that the car is gutless below 4k rpm is just not true.
There's that reading comprehension thing again. Here, let me spell this out for you. Overlay a stock GT350 dyno against a stock LS1 dyno. Until ~4000RPM, the LS1 is either above or equal to the 5.2. AT NO POINT did I say ANYTHING about comparing the LS1's peak numbers to the low RPM numbers of the 5.2, YOU DID. I fully understand that the engine was built for high RPM performance, but as a result, low RPM torque suffered. Do you understand that yet?
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So bone stock LS1s are making 350wtq at 3,500rpms all of a sudden?
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Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang
HA and know what I just realized? A GT350 at 4,000rpms is making nearly the same power & torque as 98Cayenne's super powerful HC LS1.
I also trap higher than gt350's through a loose *** converter, banging the limiter on every shift lol, so ya...I make more way more power.
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Yes I have
I don't see how you think there is no low end torque then. Driving in, and riding in it; that's the first thing I noticed. I went in fully thinking that it would feel like a turd down low and it definitely surprised me. I've driven PD blower cars too, and it still didn't feel "gutless" down low.

Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
The low end on the motor doesn't seem terrible from the dyno chart. The main tq rise is between about 3000-3800 rpm.
Because it's not.

Originally Posted by ZYBORG
350 has plenty of pep. Dont let those magazine reviews fool you... It gets up and boogies.
This. Cat deletes/e85 really woke this thing up too. I did a few 2-3rd gear pulls and damn, it was fun. Really made me want one, just cant justify the price of one.

Originally Posted by ZYBORG
Funny.

I own a 14' 100 and also have driven a 350 (with my lady and another big guy as passengers).

At no point, did it feel "gutless". Not at 1k rpms not a 2k, 3k or so on.

There is no Eaton SC sound. Although the motor's sound was intoxicating (in a very good way).

As much as I like catfishes and LS motors, comparing it to a stock LS1 is plain silliness. Lol

The car was seriously impressive all the way around. Definitely a premium vehicle.

The only complaint I had (if any), would be that the recaros are made to fit lady-boys or teenage like men. The bolsters would dig right into your shoulders and thighs, making the seats very uncomfortable. My girl was comfy tho!
I was impressed with the car as well. Steering feel, how it cruised, the power delivery was all above what I expected. The sound too... Omg the sound. I couldn't get enough of it.
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Cayenne is a documented mustang hater. Not surprised with this entire conversation.
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Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang
So bone stock LS1s are making 350wtq at 3,500rpms all of a sudden?
Every dyno I'm seeing shows the 5.2 torque eclipsing the LS1 around 3700RPM @ 325 lb/ft. When driving at low RPM high load conditions that power increase is felt around 4000RPM, which is why I clearly stated ~4000RPM.
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Originally Posted by snake95
Cayenne is a documented mustang hater. Not surprised with this entire conversation.
I like Gt350's, when you get to about 5 - 5500 rpms it feels like you sprayed it. It really starts to fly. Feels kinda weird.

But below 4500 rpms.... nothing special.

If they had good low end power they would trap higher than 118
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
That below 4500 rpms they are dogs. In the higher rpms they do fly. Not bashing the car, I like them. They are solid cars, haul in the higher rpms, and handle awesome.

They just are way lame down low.
They arent dogs or lame at any point. Of course this is subjective.

But if you think the 350 is lame down low, surely there be no way they could drag an LS7 down the dragstrip...

LS7 Z28 on the left / 350 on the right

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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
I like Gt350's, when you get to about 5 - 5500 rpms it feels like you sprayed it. It really starts to fly. Feels kinda weird.

But below 4500 rpms.... nothing special.

If they had good low end power they would trap higher than 118
How does torque below 4500 rpm affect their trap speed at all? I don’t see below 6k when WOT.
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Originally Posted by Whippled
How does torque below 4500 rpm affect their trap speed at all? I don’t see below 6k when WOT.
So from a dead stop you never see below 6000 rpms?
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Originally Posted by ZYBORG
They arent dogs or lame at any point. Of course this is subjective.

But if you think the 350 is lame down low, surely there be no way they could drag an LS7 down the dragstrip...

LS7 Z28 on the left / 350 on the right

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Base 350 rated a full 3 mph lower @116


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