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There's that reading comprehension thing again. Here, let me spell this out for you. Overlay a stock GT350 dyno against a stock LS1 dyno. Until ~4000RPM, the LS1 is either above or equal to the 5.2. AT NO POINT did I say ANYTHING about comparing the LS1's peak numbers to the low RPM numbers of the 5.2, YOU DID. I fully understand that the engine was built for high RPM performance, but as a result, low RPM torque suffered. Do you understand that yet?
There is that silliness again... YOU said it, not me:
Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
I have driven a GT350, and can tell you it's less powerful than a stock LS1 F-body below 4000RPM.
Thats quite possibly the DUMBEST comparison I have ever read. Not to mention is NOT true.
Stock LS1 makes 225ish HP / 310ish TQ @ 3,750 rpm.
Stock voo doo makes 265ish HP / 365ish TQ @ 3,750 rpm.
Here is a gt350 time slip. If they make such good low end power then why was my headers and yank ss3600 only ls1 faster to the 330' marker and trapped only 2 mph slower in the 1/8th with the same e.t ?
My 60' was a tenth better and over a tenth better at the 330' marker with cheap headers and small converter.
You and I don't disagree often. With that said. I have seen base 350s go 118+ on the 1/4.
The pic was posted to ilustrate the point that the 350 is not "dog".
Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Here is a gt350 time slip. If they make such good low end power then why was my headers and yank ss3600 only ls1 faster to the 330' marker and trapped only 2 mph slower in the 1/8th with the same e.t ?
My 60' was a tenth better and over a tenth better at the 330' marker with cheap headers and small converter.
You dont compare modded cars to stock ones man. Lol.
You and I don't disagree often. With that said. I have seen base 350s go 118+ on the 1/4.
The pic was posted to ilustrate the point that the 350 is not "dog".
You dont compare modded cars to stock ones man. Lol.
The point being, I was not making much power at those levels or at 3600 rpms out of the hole but some how I have zero problem hanging with a gt350 in that rpm range.
Which brings me back to.....The Gt350's make No Low End power like is being argued otherwise by some
I just that 5.poo is greatly over rated. For all the effort they went did to make it that highperformance it's a let down. It basically only matches z28 times whichhas been tested as fast as 12.1 @ 119 also.
It's also kinda funny that we always talk about the r.........the normal even more unimpresssive.
It makes lots of noise...pulls lots of gear.....turns high rpm to run 12s. Which isn't slow. But for the effort they went to so they could squeeze 500+hp out of that engine it's just not impressive.
The point being, I was not making much power at those levels or at 3600 rpms out of the hole but some how I have zero problem hanging with a gt350 in that rpm range.
Which brings me back to.....The Gt350's make No Low End power like is being argued otherwise by some
I hear you but you still cant compare your modded car to a stock car. FYI, your car is not a "dog" or "gutless" either.
Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
In 2400 DA the 350 I seen was trapping 113-114. Near identical to stock 6g for that track and day.
He was a **** driver though
Yea... Marginal DA and bad drivers make for a mediocre outing.
If I was a betting man, Id put my money on a stock 350 vs a stock/manual 6g ss. Drag race and highway.
I just that 5.poo is greatly over rated. For all the effort they went did to make it that highperformance it's a let down. It basically only matches z28 times whichhas been tested as fast as 12.1 @ 119 also.
It's also kinda funny that we always talk about the r.........the normal even more unimpresssive.
It makes lots of noise...pulls lots of gear.....turns high rpm to run 12s. Which isn't slow. But for the effort they went to so they could squeeze 500+hp out of that engine it's just not impressive.
Not over rated. It does what it does very well.
Base 350s pull just fine. They pull well enought to trap 119 and the R pulls well enough to trap 121. They both have the ability to go in the 11s.
Im not a fan of the flatplane but the cars perform very well for what they are intended for.
I literally would not care if I had 25rwtq from idle to 3800 rpm. And I only say 3800 because that's where my RPMs drop (3860) when I hit 2nd gear with my T5 from shifting at 6700. So who gives a flying **** about low end power? GM guys and their off the wall **** to bash
Cayenne, come on man. You're smarter than comparing your stalled auto times to a 6 speed GT350. If my car was a stalled auto I'd be several tenths quicker, as well. If you had an M6 your trap would be higher and your ET would be slower. This isn't universal, but you get my point.
Both well driven i think it would take the R to out run the 6gen. Which it shouldn't.
Now.....if gm put that same effort in a na lt motor it wouldn't even be a close competition.
You literally sound like a little crying bitch on here every day
"If GM would put that effort"...yeah well if Ford would have done what GM did and put their Hail Mary engine in a Mustang in 98, like GM did with the LS1 in the F-body, people wouldn't give a **** about f-body cars. Apparently people didn't already because nobody bought them!
GM has displacement, that's really all. The architecture isn't special, the LS series was superior to the new LT series.
Let's play your game - if Ford put out a 370 something cubic inch DOHC V8 for the Mustang with even modest performance for a 370, GM might have to cut another 3 brands like they did in 09 or whenever.
It's cute tho how GM is copying Ford and going mid-engine with the vette. Trying to shake that "I **** my relatives before I drive my Chevy!" stereotype. Good on them.
Base 350s pull just fine. They pull well enought to trap 119 and the R pulls well enough to trap 121. They both have the ability to go in the 11s.
Im not a fan of the flatplane but the cars perform very well for what they are intended for.
Tests i seen had the gt350 at 116 and the r at 119. Never seen a r go 121.
And in the hands of the people they don't even do that.
Originally Posted by snake95
You literally sound like a little crying bitch on here every day
"If GM would put that effort"...yeah well if Ford would have done what GM did and put their Hail Mary engine in a Mustang in 98, like GM did with the LS1 in the F-body, people wouldn't give a **** about f-body cars. Apparently people didn't already because nobody bought them!
GM has displacement, that's really all. The architecture isn't special, the LS series was superior to the new LT series.
Let's play your game - if Ford put out a 370 something cubic inch DOHC V8 for the Mustang with even modest performance for a 370, GM might have to cut another 3 brands like they did in 09 or whenever.
It's cute tho how GM is copying Ford and going mid-engine with the vette. Trying to shake that "I **** my relatives before I drive my Chevy!" stereotype. Good on them.
Stfu *****. You're the cryingest bitch god ever created sperm95
Tests i seen had the gt350 at 116 and the r at 119. Never seen a r go 121.
And in the hands of the people they don't even do that.
Stfu *****. You're the cryingest bitch god ever created sperm95
Ive seen 119 for the base and 121 on the R. I forget exactly where but Ive seen it. My 5g camaro SS edged out a c6 vette. When I test drove the base 350 (with 3 people in the car), there was no way my 5g car was gonna stay with the 350 on a run. 350 had moxy.
Sperm95 maybe a cryingy bitch BUT, he does have a good point in regards to comparing a modded/stalled car to a stock 350. And disputing people making the 350 out to be a dog when it is not.
Cayenne, come on man. You're smarter than comparing your stalled auto times to a 6 speed GT350. If my car was a stalled auto I'd be several tenths quicker, as well. If you had an M6 your trap would be higher and your ET would be slower. This isn't universal, but you get my point.
It was meant to be a loose comparison.
Somewhat similar 60's, both put in similar rpm ranges after launch. I shift once before the 330' and don't think the gt350 does at all. Even with a converter I only trapped a coupe mph slower in the 1/8.
I have been in a couple gt350's and was just refuting what It's Stock originally said in that they make good low end which imo they absolutely don't. Now in the higher rpms they do pull like a freight train and it's actually a cool felling once it hits about 5000 rpms because, again imo, It goes from very sluggish to pushing you back in the seat.
I have been in a couple gt350's and was just refuting what It's Stock originally said in that they make good low end which imo they absolutely don't. Now in the higher rpms they do pull like a freight train and it's actually a cool felling once it hits about 5000 rpms because, again imo, It goes from very sluggish to pushing you back in the seat.
I am the most objective and non-biased ************ in here. I've owned c5z06, LS3 5g camaro ss, currently daily drive a 600+ rwhp car. I just like badass cars. I got to drive/rag on a base 350 (with 3 people in the car) and I can tell you that the 350 is most certainly not a dog at any point in the powerband.
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I'm sure you remember when these guys cried about the 6gen in the "hands of the people"......that's what I'm goin off of now.
Yeah but we aint talking about those crayon eating *************.... its us talking.
I'm sure it runs plenty good. Just not as good as i think it should. Lets face it.....it only competes with the z28. That was a 10yr old engine and a chassis that has it's roots as a caprice.
So eith the old 5gen was just that good or this thing is a bit of a let down ti be latest greatest stuff.
Even the 6gen in 1le form tied the gt350r at vir further convincing me the gt350s are just a bit over rated.
Great looking car tho. Cool concept....exicution just lacking a bit.
10-31-2017, 03:36 PM
You literally sound like a little crying bitch on here every day 