lucille vs pray tune 6th gen
09-19-2018, 06:05 PM
#421
to be be able to pas a car (reeling in) the car behind has to be going a higher mph. I have done it and if you do it you will see. Run a car that you know will reel you in and test it out. When my buddy in his hellcat and I ran we were both stock I pulled almost a car and he passed me when I was going 110mph and he said he let off at 130 once he was already a car ahead. The roll was 30-130. So if by 110(my cluster mph) he passed me and was already Letting off at 130mph that means he was atleast 5-10mph over me to reel me in. It’s something you learn in school. Math actually.
09-19-2018, 06:07 PM
#422
To be clear.... take a 3 second clip from ANY race. At point A car 1 is 1/2 car behind car 2. If at point B (3 seconds later) car 1 and 2 are even then car 1 is UNDENIABLY going faster than 2. Car 2 covered x amount of feet in that time, car 1 covered that same amount of feet PLUS 1/2 car length.
09-19-2018, 06:09 PM
#423
But it doesn't really matter. Like I said before. If it takes you to 140-150 to pass another car then good on you. To bad you will lose 99% of your races that way in the real world. I don't know why we keep rehashing this.
09-19-2018, 06:14 PM
#424
To be clear.... take a 3 second clip from ANY race. At point A car 1 is 1/2 car behind car 2. If at point B (3 seconds later) car 1 and 2 are even then car 1 is UNDENIABLY going faster than 2. Car 2 covered x amount of feet in that time, car 1 covered that same amount of feet PLUS 1/2 car length.
09-19-2018, 06:44 PM
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The mph has to be there in order to pass and reel in a car and pass. How is that hard to understand. For one car to make up a car distance or distance in between cars on a car still accelerating about the same pace as the race started (let say) the car behind starting to reel in the other car has to be accelerating quicker and going a faster mph eventually to be able to make up the difference and pass. I’m gonna prove it watch. Somethings you have to prove to let it be understood.
09-19-2018, 06:48 PM
#429
I just see it as you are racing to a mph. Not a distance and apparently not to see who is in front at said speed. Using the logic presented, the car behind can let off and say he reached the mph sooner and claim the W. Da ***? Explain that one away. Not trying to be argumentative, I just don't get the logic. I am behind, therefore I win. Cool.
09-19-2018, 06:51 PM
#431
No, I agree that the guy behind can’t let off and say he won. It just always seemed like you were saying just because the guy behind is making up ground doesn’t mean he’s going faster.
09-19-2018, 06:55 PM
#432
The mph has to be there in order to pass and reel in a car and pass. How is that hard to understand. For one car to make up a car distance or distance in between cars on a car still accelerating about the same pace as the race started (let say) the car behind starting to reel in the other car has to be accelerating quicker and going a faster mph eventually to be able to make up the difference and pass. I’m gonna prove it watch. Somethings you have to prove to let it be understood.
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09-19-2018, 06:56 PM
#433
Not at all what I was ever saying. I was just saying he doesn't reach the end mph first. Car in front does if he maintains his acceleration.
09-19-2018, 07:08 PM
#435
On paper, Drew is a 125-126 mph car at best in great weather. I would say that Leo is a 130ish car in same conditions. Possibly a hair faster. But for some reason that doesnt show till the camaro is past peak power in 5th. With the A10 and better gearing it should show from front to back. But in this case it doesn't. So down low the Camaro generates more speed in a shorter amount of time and starts to trail off after 130. Leo's car comes back with better gearing and peak power rpm. That's exactly what the vids showed.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
09-19-2018, 07:21 PM
#436
Hey Leo, what is the height or your rear tire, or the average tire height of what the A10 5.0 guys are running? And what is your shift mph? I am trying to do some math. Thanks.
09-19-2018, 07:25 PM
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The car that is getting reeled in, is going slower than the other at that particular time. Just like when a car is pulling away, is going faster at that particular time. Like when you go to pass a car on the highway. If the car youre passing is going 65 mph, you're obviously going to have to go faster to get around it. Like 75 mph.
09-19-2018, 07:33 PM
#438
The car that is getting reeled in, is going slower than the other at that particular time. Just like when a car is pulling away, is going faster at that particular time. Like when you go to pass a car on the highway. If the car youre passing is going 65 mph, you're obviously going to have to go faster to get around it. Like 75 mph.
Or another way. Two cars run 10.5@130 in the 1/4. Car one goes 6.90@105 and car 2 goes 7.20@102 in the 1/8. Car two obviously has a better acceleration on the back half but they both get there at the same time and mph. But since he was behind at the 1/8 he had to cover the lost mph first. That is all we are seeing here but in a highway roll.
Last edited by Pray; 09-19-2018 at 07:45 PM.
09-19-2018, 07:43 PM
#439
On paper, Drew is a 125-126 mph car at best in great weather. I would say that Leo is a 130ish car in same conditions. Possibly a hair faster. But for some reason that doesnt show till the camaro is past peak power in 5th. With the A10 and better gearing it should show from front to back. But in this case it doesn't. So down low the Camaro generates more speed in a shorter amount of time and starts to trail off after 130. Leo's car comes back with better gearing and peak power rpm. That's exactly what the vids showed.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
You really think 125-126 on a 28 tall tire and ported stock manifold? My car was never capable of that. But we never totally sorted the tune either on that setup. It was a 123-124 car at best on that same wheel and tire package and same mods. I suppose 124-125 could happen in ridiculous da or something
09-19-2018, 07:45 PM
#440
On paper, Drew is a 125-126 mph car at best in great weather. I would say that Leo is a 130ish car in same conditions. Possibly a hair faster. But for some reason that doesnt show till the camaro is past peak power in 5th. With the A10 and better gearing it should show from front to back. But in this case it doesn't. So down low the Camaro generates more speed in a shorter amount of time and starts to trail off after 130. Leo's car comes back with better gearing and peak power rpm. That's exactly what the vids showed.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
What all A10 cars have shown is that they suck in the 1/8 mile and ride on the back half. They spend all their time shifting on the front half but have two gears to spare on the back half. The ZL1 is a prime example but has the blower to pull the back half. The 5.0 has the rpm and axle gearing to pull the back end. It seems both the ZL1 and the 5.0 will almost 30mph back half where even a well sorted 6th gen will 24mph back half at best most of the time. I don't see how the 19 Camaros will have the power to do it. I don't anticipate the 19's to be any faster unless GM sorts some stuff out.
i disagree with those estimates. But then again I don’t math base MIR standards at -1500 DA. I’m basing myself on what I’m seeing and what I’ve ran.