lucille vs pray tune 6th gen
09-10-2018, 01:16 PM
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09-10-2018, 01:36 PM
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On paper, yes. Manufacturer specs are wide and misleading. Lay a straight edge across the top of the stock tire and measure to the ground. It is 26.83". The only reason I know that or tested it is because that is the tire height in the ECM/TCM to dictated speedo mph and shift points. It also exactly correlates to the mph in the scanner and calculators. But I am not here to argue. Just what I have found in testing.
09-10-2018, 01:42 PM
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09-10-2018, 01:45 PM
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turd face appears , 20s and 30s he beats me not by bus length but he did beat me , 35 roll and 40 roll i beat him to 140 but his programmed speedometer commanded him to slam on the brakes at 130 , how conveniently .
09-10-2018, 01:46 PM
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Im with king...stock tire is almost a 28" because when buster wanted a DR for his stock wheels he gave me his tire specs so I could match them to a DR...so the argument of the speedo being off isnt really a valid one. Just saying.
Im glad Drew came up, friendly runs like these make both sides better, no different than stock vs stock camaro vs mustang. when both are striving both sides get better, when the camaro production was halted the mustang slacked for 4-5 years and when GM announced the 5th gen Ford turned on its afterburners and got after making the coyote.
Im glad Drew came up, friendly runs like these make both sides better, no different than stock vs stock camaro vs mustang. when both are striving both sides get better, when the camaro production was halted the mustang slacked for 4-5 years and when GM announced the 5th gen Ford turned on its afterburners and got after making the coyote.
09-10-2018, 01:48 PM
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I'll start with that was the strongest bolt on 6gen I've seen on vid. Besides your other ones. Very strong. And also if I had one you would also be tuning mine.
People usually like to run their cars in their strongest spots, or speeds, for best performance. As I do. But not everyones car is the same as mine. Some people are cool & run all different speeds. Some people only run certain speeds. I mean we could just race till 100 & I wont even have to shift to 3rd gear. Or 130 & I only have to pull out 3rd. I'm pretty sure that 180 statement was just for a laugh. That's modded lambo, ferrari, fast car speed. Also just not understanding how a car accelerates faster, at even higher speed, with even less gear/or the next gear. Thought it goes the other way.
Just as you'd like to see 6gen vs 6gen, wish I could get 4gen on 4gen. Even a manual/manual race. Lots of cars are auto out there. No complain just run em.
Yes people want 0-130 cars. Some people want 40-150+ cars. Why some peeps make fun of my car. It runs very lazy at the track & anything under 40mph. I love it.
My last statement. Just a joke. Don't take personally. I have no I idea if either car has 6 cars left. If the mero has 6 cars left, why shouldn't the stang? They are very close on mods. Think it was a great match up.
People usually like to run their cars in their strongest spots, or speeds, for best performance. As I do. But not everyones car is the same as mine. Some people are cool & run all different speeds. Some people only run certain speeds. I mean we could just race till 100 & I wont even have to shift to 3rd gear. Or 130 & I only have to pull out 3rd. I'm pretty sure that 180 statement was just for a laugh. That's modded lambo, ferrari, fast car speed. Also just not understanding how a car accelerates faster, at even higher speed, with even less gear/or the next gear. Thought it goes the other way.
Just as you'd like to see 6gen vs 6gen, wish I could get 4gen on 4gen. Even a manual/manual race. Lots of cars are auto out there. No complain just run em.
Yes people want 0-130 cars. Some people want 40-150+ cars. Why some peeps make fun of my car. It runs very lazy at the track & anything under 40mph. I love it.
My last statement. Just a joke. Don't take personally. I have no I idea if either car has 6 cars left. If the mero has 6 cars left, why shouldn't the stang? They are very close on mods. Think it was a great match up.
I laid out how the 6th Gen has more in it. I don't really believe in accumulative math but for each mod individually I have proven the gains I listed. My math ended up over 6mph total but I low sided it as an accumulative. How those translate into car lengths exactly is yet to be proven. I will honestly say that I don't have a clue what else can be done to the 5.0 past what is already done to make gains. It already has a very impressive mod list. But I will take the word of the knowledgeable people on here that it can be done.
09-10-2018, 01:48 PM
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On paper, yes. Manufacturer specs are wide and misleading. Lay a straight edge across the top of the stock tire and measure to the ground. It is 26.83". The only reason I know that or tested it is because that is the tire height in the ECM/TCM to dictated speedo mph and shift points. It also exactly correlates to the mph in the scanner and calculators. But I am not here to argue. Just what I have found in testing.
09-10-2018, 01:59 PM
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Im with king...stock tire is almost a 28" because when buster wanted a DR for his stock wheels he gave me his tire specs so I could match them to a DR...so the argument of the speedo being off isnt really a valid one. Just saying.
Im glad Drew came up, friendly runs like these make both sides better, no different than stock vs stock camaro vs mustang. when both are striving both sides get better, when the camaro production was halted the mustang slacked for 4-5 years and when GM announced the 5th gen Ford turned on its afterburners and got after making the coyote.
Im glad Drew came up, friendly runs like these make both sides better, no different than stock vs stock camaro vs mustang. when both are striving both sides get better, when the camaro production was halted the mustang slacked for 4-5 years and when GM announced the 5th gen Ford turned on its afterburners and got after making the coyote.
Regardless if the speedo is off or not, who ever is in front hits the end mph first. Plain and simple. The front car will always hit the predetermined finish mph first and check up unless they just want to keep going for what ever reason.
I couldn't agree with you more that competition breeds success. If there wasn't a faster car to go after no one would mod. My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings. From my perspective, all I have done is state facts about the car that I know. Nothing more and nothing less. The vids and races played out as they did. I gave my analysis. It is awesome that these guys are out there in the streets getting down. That is how we learn and make adjustment. So kudos to both players in this case. We are all better for them. Now it seems that both cars will be doing more modding and testing. So it is a win, win for all of us that track this kind of stuff.
09-10-2018, 02:01 PM
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The 180 comment was just to say that the 6th Gen would be in it's 1:1 gear for that and the 5.0 would be in OD which would put the 6th Gen at a HP and gearing advantage as the 5.0 is up to 150. It would be curious to see if that made a difference past 150mph. Things would probably remain the same but we don't know till we test. I have run the 6th Gen to 186 on the dyno many times so I know that in a controlled environment it would do it. Other companies have gone 200 in the 6th Gen in real world testing on tracks. I would assume the 5.0 would be safe at those speeds as well.
I laid out how the 6th Gen has more in it. I don't really believe in accumulative math but for each mod individually I have proven the gains I listed. My math ended up over 6mph total but I low sided it as an accumulative. How those translate into car lengths exactly is yet to be proven. I will honestly say that I don't have a clue what else can be done to the 5.0 past what is already done to make gains. It already has a very impressive mod list. But I will take the word of the knowledgeable people on here that it can be done.
I laid out how the 6th Gen has more in it. I don't really believe in accumulative math but for each mod individually I have proven the gains I listed. My math ended up over 6mph total but I low sided it as an accumulative. How those translate into car lengths exactly is yet to be proven. I will honestly say that I don't have a clue what else can be done to the 5.0 past what is already done to make gains. It already has a very impressive mod list. But I will take the word of the knowledgeable people on here that it can be done.
09-10-2018, 02:03 PM
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sounds weird to me that he mentioned the 35 roll was a bad spot for him due to him being up in the rpm band but when i raced the white auto ss he stated a 35 roll was a spot for him due to his car was way to low on the rpm , so i'm a little lost here is it too low or is it too high ?
09-10-2018, 02:07 PM
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Usually past the 1:1 gear the power doesn't change much from what I have been told. I haven't been able to do a ton of testing with it though due to the allowable mph of the dyno. I tied it a long time ago with deeply geared Vetts with M6's but I honestly don't remember the results. Dynos are all about how the drum accelerates over time and rpm sweep. But the car will be in a lower numerical gear in OD and depending on the transmission gear split I would say running a car on the street in OD would probably hurt. As mentioned above, it would have to be played out in the real world to see what happens.
09-10-2018, 02:11 PM
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I also don't believe who ever is in front hits x mph first. When the camero is pulling it is going faster. The stang stops the pull at certain point. Both going same speed. Then stang pulling back on mero means stang is going faster. Is this off?
09-10-2018, 02:16 PM
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35 mph in 1st in the 6th Gen is 5,500rpm using a 27.5" tall tire. So as stated earlier that is almost past peak power for the LT1 motor. Plus that last 1K rpm happens so fast that there is no way bumping the shifter over is going to set the shift before the limiter.
35 mph in 2nd gear in a 6th Gen is 3,550rpm using a 27.5" tall tire. No one is going to start a race at that low of an rpm.
Racing is just mechanical calculations and physics. No magic.
35 mph in 2nd gear in a 6th Gen is 3,550rpm using a 27.5" tall tire. No one is going to start a race at that low of an rpm.
Racing is just mechanical calculations and physics. No magic.
09-10-2018, 02:19 PM
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Here's a 40 roll where 6gen was still ahead at 140+mph.
Here's a 30 roll where the 6gen was buses ahead at 140+.
Here's a 50 roll where the 6gen was still ahead at 150+ mph.
You lost the moon races, bro.
09-10-2018, 02:23 PM
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Usually past the 1:1 gear the power doesn't change much from what I have been told. I haven't been able to do a ton of testing with it though due to the allowable mph of the dyno. I tied it a long time ago with deeply geared Vetts with M6's but I honestly don't remember the results. Dynos are all about how the drum accelerates over time and rpm sweep. But the car will be in a lower numerical gear in OD and depending on the transmission gear split I would say running a car on the street in OD would probably hurt. As mentioned above, it would have to be played out in the real world to see what happens.
09-10-2018, 02:27 PM
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