I Thought Mach 1 Are Fast
03-05-2005, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
I worked at Ford and would actuall y bring my buddy in to drive for a laugh a GT. Wow, how do they sell em. Mach 1 little better through first at least, an LS1 pulls noticably stronger. Then a yeaor old red 03 Cobra that we could'nt give it away. $28,280 for a NEW 03 Cobra, could'nt sell em. Two of em. One inside one out on the lot. My sister drove it and it was a little stronger than a warmed up LS1 but nothing to write home about since it had a S/C. GT and Mach 1 were silly slow. I love mustangs but what has happened since 1994 .
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03-05-2005, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1sweet00SS
Too add to that, what has Chevy done since 2002 in the 22k - 33K department (price range for us regular folks)?????
Impala SS stickers 29K (32K fully loaded)....................
Monte Carlo SS stickers for 29K (fully loaded 31.5K).......
Silverado SS stickers for 39K (fully loaded 45K)..............
SSR stickers 43K (fully loaded 50K)..............................
You see a trend here??? Ssssssslllooooowww and overpriced vehicles.... HIGH 14 sec "Super Sport" cars for nearly 30K. Maybe I'm just old, but to me I see nothing "super" or "sport" about any of those........
Sorry, but Dodge (RWD Hemi powered cars, SRT-4) and Ford (Mach 1, Cobra, New GT) have been stomping on Chevy ever since they killed the F-body in 2002.............
What does Chevy have to offer???
In January I went to the L. A. Auto Show and saw Chevy was dropping a V8 in the Impala SS and Monte Carlo SS.... I was thrilled......... until I heard both cars were still going to be FWD!?!?!?!.......
WTF Chevy?!....
BTW, the very first time I saw a BONE STOCK Mach 1 run, it ran 13.4 @ 107..... Well within stock F-body range. Hell, the first time I made a pass in my SS, I ran 14.2 (13.3 - 13.5s after some practice)...... I'm sure there was a post on a Honda board somewhere saying "stock LS1s run 14s". It's sad to see the same thing going on here......
Impala SS stickers 29K (32K fully loaded)....................
Monte Carlo SS stickers for 29K (fully loaded 31.5K).......
Silverado SS stickers for 39K (fully loaded 45K)..............
SSR stickers 43K (fully loaded 50K)..............................
You see a trend here??? Ssssssslllooooowww and overpriced vehicles.... HIGH 14 sec "Super Sport" cars for nearly 30K. Maybe I'm just old, but to me I see nothing "super" or "sport" about any of those........
Sorry, but Dodge (RWD Hemi powered cars, SRT-4) and Ford (Mach 1, Cobra, New GT) have been stomping on Chevy ever since they killed the F-body in 2002.............
What does Chevy have to offer???In January I went to the L. A. Auto Show and saw Chevy was dropping a V8 in the Impala SS and Monte Carlo SS.... I was thrilled......... until I heard both cars were still going to be FWD!?!?!?!.......
WTF Chevy?!....
BTW, the very first time I saw a BONE STOCK Mach 1 run, it ran 13.4 @ 107..... Well within stock F-body range. Hell, the first time I made a pass in my SS, I ran 14.2 (13.3 - 13.5s after some practice)...... I'm sure there was a post on a Honda board somewhere saying "stock LS1s run 14s". It's sad to see the same thing going on here......
03-05-2005, 05:43 PM
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I don't know if this qualifies as fast or not but I just saw a stock one run 8.29 @ 86 n'change at the first test and tune session of the season at our local 1/8th mile track. To be perfectly honest, I don't see many LS1 powered cars running that stock. In the Mach 1's favor were nearly perfect weather conditions and a track that had just had the sticky stuff laid down. Not trying to start a war. Just relaying what I witnessed.
03-05-2005, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
I would agree with you about a stock GT being slow, but what is slow about a stock car that runs any where from 13.1's-13.5's bone stock.. If I'm not mistaken that is what stock LS1 F-bodys run.. You can think what you want but they are plenty fast for being stock and only costing about 24K... So what did your SS run bone stock at the track??? What do you mean what had happend to them since 94?? 94's are turds they have a 200 hp 302 and run what 15 sec. 1/4's...
Maybe the best drivers in the world..and none have gotten a 13.1 out of it, In fact the average that is out there still is high 13's low 14's since not everyone can cut sub 2 second 60's on the stock tires..it doesn't matter how good of a rear a car has. The average-bad driver of a stock LS1 will run a 13.5...just like myself. (same weather for both cars)
03-05-2005, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteTXMach
A cammed + bolt-on vette is NOT going to beat 90% of the cars on the road, unless your counting all the daily driving gandpa's out there in their 1970 pinto and what have you. Come to think of it, you probably do count them as kills on your way in to work in the mornings huh? 
03-06-2005, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 99FRCTorchRed
It would sure spank your ***..........and it well spank 90% how many cars run a 12.4 or better........?
Thats not even including the rest of the country. I would LOVE to run your oh so fast 12.4 at the track, funny you say you could spank my ***, when Dan here WAS making less power than me and pulled many 12.2's. I am not quite the driver he is, but im sure I could easily give your 12.4 a run for your money.Glove, I think Dan was talking about the stock Mach 1's running those times.
03-06-2005, 12:48 PM
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Everybody seem to forget the fact that the car was an auto. I remember reading a few MM&FF articles of the autos dynoing in the 240-250ish RWHP range. The M5s dyno alot closer to 280-295 RWHP. Definately not a dog by any stretch. Stock for Stock the equal to the LS1
03-06-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
GT's do not run 13.5-13.1 stock.........
Maybe the best drivers in the world..and none have gotten a 13.1 out of it, In fact the average that is out there still is high 13's low 14's since not everyone can cut sub 2 second 60's on the stock tires..it doesn't matter how good of a rear a car has. The average-bad driver of a stock LS1 will run a 13.5...just like myself. (same weather for both cars)
Maybe the best drivers in the world..and none have gotten a 13.1 out of it, In fact the average that is out there still is high 13's low 14's since not everyone can cut sub 2 second 60's on the stock tires..it doesn't matter how good of a rear a car has. The average-bad driver of a stock LS1 will run a 13.5...just like myself. (same weather for both cars)
03-06-2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 99FRCTorchRed
It would sure spank your ***..........and it well spank 90% how many cars run a 12.4 or better........?
03-06-2005, 03:55 PM
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Well one big advantage at the track is that mach 1s have 8.8 rear ends Im pretty sure, while fbodys are stuck with a crappy 10 bolt. So right off the bat mach1s can run alot better tires and launch better. I like 03+ cobras but I think Ford needs to bring back the 351W pushrod motor in a fuel injected form and get rid of all this modular stuff...
03-06-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
Well one big advantage at the track is that mach 1s have 8.8 rear ends Im pretty sure, while fbodys are stuck with a crappy 10 bolt. So right off the bat mach1s can run alot better tires and launch better. I like 03+ cobras but I think Ford needs to bring back the 351W pushrod motor in a fuel injected form and get rid of all this modular stuff...
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03-06-2005, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ws.6kid
...think Ford needs to bring back the 351W pushrod motor in a fuel injected form and get rid of all this modular stuff...
03-06-2005, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
I agree. There are too many 700rwhp daily driven Cobras out there. Surely the mod motor needs to be killed. It just doesn't perform and it has a very hard time making power. GM needs to kill the LSX platform too while reviving the 305 TPI stuff.
03-06-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
How crappy is the stock 10 bolt in the LS1's??? I know one of my friends has a stock 10 bolt with 4.10 gears in his 98 Ls1 Z28 with every bolt on, big TRex Cam, 9" 4400 stall, 3 speed auto, M/T 26x10x15 ET Drags, and Pulls high 1.4 60fts and runs 6.7's @ 100+mph in the 1/8.. They can't be too bad if he hasn't broken his yet..
Originally Posted by dan
I was talking about the Mach1 in that statement..
I agree with you then as I have seen multiple machs run those times and have lost to a couple from a dig.
03-06-2005, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
How crappy is the stock 10 bolt in the LS1's??? I know one of my friends has a stock 10 bolt with 4.10 gears in his 98 Ls1 Z28 with every bolt on, big TRex Cam, 9" 4400 stall, 3 speed auto, M/T 26x10x15 ET Drags, and Pulls high 1.4 60fts and runs 6.7's @ 100+mph in the 1/8.. They can't be too bad if he hasn't broken his yet..
Damn.
He's on thin ice.
03-07-2005, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
They are damned near equal to a stock LS1 with equal drivers. Maybe you saw rookie drivers or cars with tuning issues. Who knows.
They mod up nicely. How's 1,000hp sound?
They mod up nicely. How's 1,000hp sound?
lmao... how does 1000hp in a ls1 sound.. UH DUH, nobody was talking about versions with 40k into them
, think the thread was about near stock or stock mach 1's, and ive seen them lose to gt's, swap drivers, and still lose lol.... a buddy has a mach 1 and a gt just to clear that up, both would get killed by a camaro with 4 fat guys in it.
03-07-2005, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1_PNYTAMR
lmao... how does 1000hp in a ls1 sound.. UH DUH, nobody was talking about versions with 40k into them , think the thread was about near stock or stock mach 1's, and ive seen them lose to gt's, swap drivers, and still lose lol.... a buddy has a mach 1 and a gt just to clear that up, both would get killed by a camaro with 4 fat guys in it.
, think the thread was about near stock or stock mach 1's, and ive seen them lose to gt's, swap drivers, and still lose lol.... a buddy has a mach 1 and a gt just to clear that up, both would get killed by a camaro with 4 fat guys in it.
03-07-2005, 04:46 AM
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To my experience, machs arent quite even with ls1's stock vs stock and mod for mod. A friends wont trap higher than 106 with o/r x, pulleys, intake, and chip. Several different people have driven it. And not to mention beating one on a 150 shot from a low roll. No doubt most come out of the hole pretty frickin hard though... Driver is a large factor in Machs.