deviate42

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mlambrecht82:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
<strong>Actually, there are faster Hondas than that. There are some running high 10's at over 123mph.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually there are even faster ones than that. You can check them out at this site.
Click Here!!!
Personally I have a NA Honda Civic ex that runs low 6's in the 1/4 with traps over 250 mph. It also uses the stock block, heads, cams, and all the internals are stock too. I'm a bit suprized that I got this $11,000 car to run over 250 mph in the 1/4 so I got it dyno'd at the local dyno shop. The 1.8L 4 banger put out 270 HP TO THE WHEELS!!! (front wheels of course) I also have a stock mustang. I drove out of the dealership the day I bought it and took it straight down to the track. My first pass was done at 5.2 sec @ 314 mph That was with a little wheel spin. By the end of the day I was able to shave it down to a 4.9 @ 316 mph. Not bad for a car with 20 miles on the odometer.
Well if any of you guys don't believe me you can check out all the facts at this site.

<img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> Click Here!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> ............... <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
btw- i dont think you should be dragging a car with 20 miles on it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

<small>[ December 17, 2002, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: SSpeeed ]</small>

Pro Stock John

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Yup, ricers are the cars that have the sticker of a company, but no parts from that company.

Some of the B16 hybrid stuff sounds pretty neat I have heard of some NA Hondas going into the 13's.

LS1LT1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by hondakiller:
<strong>lol no thats just bad taste. being a ricer is putting those greddy stickers on your car with no greddy parts on it. neons and huge wings are just horrible taste not technically "rice". but since it seems that ricers are also the ones with bad taste they do kinda go hand in hand.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong>Yup, ricers are the cars that have the sticker of a company, but no parts from that company.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, so then it is safe to say that any car, even a Toyota Supra/Nissan 300ZX/Mazda RX7 can also display this bad taste or 'riceyness' if they do in fact have stickers on them representing parts that aren't actually on the car along with the prerequisite riceboy uniform of wings, body kits, wheels etc?
I only bring this up because it just appears that so many people shudder at the thought of someone daring to call those cars 'ricers' for some reason, almost as if they want to block it out (puttting blinders on?) and refuse to accept that many owners of those cars do also dress their cars up in this tasteless manner.
What's actually worse, a really fast yet bone stock looking Honda Civic or a slow yet stickered and winged Toyota Supra? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
It's all rice to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

LS1LT1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FYRARMS:
<strong>hondakiller: Out of curiosity, what do you drive? What is your best ET?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Out of curiousity, why do you ask?
You're not actually trying to imply that someone who potentially drives a slower car can't/shouldn't have an opinion on import nameplate cars (or on anything else for that matter) are you?

It'llrun

The "Renegade" cars like the NMRA and FFW allows wouldn't likely be acceptable in an import v. domestic race. The'yre much too quick. Most of the faster ones are in the 9.20 range and the quickest ones have run in the 8's already. One reason they can dominate is they make sure the really fast domestics are deemed too fast, like the did in the 1st event, even though it was completely within the rules posted before the race... Those were changed "on the spot" and the quick cars weren't allowed into competition. Oh well. The BIG DOG still uses a V8, on EVERY drag strip. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

FYRARMS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LS1LT1:
<strong>Out of curiousity, why do you ask?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sorry, were you paged?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You're not actually trying to imply that someone who potentially drives a slower car can't/shouldn't have an opinion on import nameplate cars (or on anything else for that matter) are you?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He can have any opinion he likes, even if it is an incorrect one such as this one:

<strong>"they run good strapped to a dyno or at twice the speed limit on the highway thats about it."</strong> Hmmm... He's got a lane with my highway-racing dyno queen whenever he likes. I'll even spot him out a few cars.
<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

<small>[ December 18, 2002, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: FYRARMS ]</small>

FYRARMS

You made a general statement that Supras are dyno queens and are only good on highways. I have seen PLENTY of other cars that make tons of power that have blown a decent ET due to one problem or another. If a 700rwhp car (Supra or other) runs a shitty ET, it is due to mechanical trouble, poor traction, or shitty driving. Period. Any Supra owner that knows how to properly drive his car can run some damned good ET's. Here in Chicago, Marko Djuric ran a 9.83 pass with a 740rwhp Supra. He knows how to drive, the car was mechanically sound, and he was on ET Streets. Same goes for Larry Prebis. He went 9.54's with a 3900# race weight street car that made a bit over 800rwhp. A general statement that all Supras are strictly dyno queens or highway racers is ridiculous...

As far as highway races are concerned: Do you think that in all those highway Supra videos that the Supra owner is the only one to set up the race? I am sure that in many of them the other car set the race up. If they didn't want to race from a roll, they shouldn't have accepted the challenge. Duh. You may also notice that most of the videos have the Supra AND the opponent running standard radials. I would think that either car would prefer to go from a roll while riding on street tires (Read: NO TRACTION). Unless I am running my ET Streets, my car annihilates the tires at anything under 40mph. Get it? Oh, wait, you wouldn't know about that... I used to race my 10-second Formula from a roll all the time--against other V8's. Neither one of us would get traction. It's not like too many impromptu drag races are done on slicks. If somebody were filming a scheduled race with both cars on a race tire, you would see more Supra races from a dead stop. I can post plenty of those videos as well.

I could care less if your turd runs a 13-second ET. I just figured that with all your import-bashing you must have had some kind of Billy-badass 10-second LS1. I didn't realize you were merely driving an easy target for a 16G-equipped DSM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

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1994 Supra Turbo, 12.28 ET fall of 2001 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
1989 Turbo T/A, bolt-ons, 11.80's
1989 Formula, 383", S-trim, DFI, 10.70's
1970 GTO, 455" EFI Pro-Touring project
1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, 5.2L, beater

deviate42

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Some cars just aren't setup for dragging. Ive seen porsche's and ferrari's,and Lambo's that have HUGE power, but they just arent drag cars.
About a month ago, a F-40 was at our club with over 700rwhp. The driver raced in the F355, and 348 series. He had many 1st place finishes,yet He could barely get his F-40 in the 11's Most auto X, or roadrace cars dont do very well on the strip.

-my cars aren't setup for draggin. I dragged the bimmer at a pretty unsafe boost level. I did it once, i dont think it will ever see the strip again

<small>[ December 18, 2002, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: SSpeeed ]</small>

hondakiller

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you know of other 700rwhp cars that cant break out of the 11's? most supra owners want their car to make a ton of power but they dont drag race it. for whatever reason, dont want to cut it up road racing etc etc. there are a few that run good but most only run good from a roll. but watching a guy run mid 11's and almost get kicked out for not having his 135mph license is kinda silly. like he said what does what i run have to do with anything? did i say i owned all import cars in a drag race? the next time you badmouth a baseball player or john force ill be sure to let them know <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Black Death TA

Posted by Fyrarms:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I could care less if your turd runs a 13-second ET. I just figured that with all your import-bashing you must have had some kind of Billy-badass 10-second LS1. I didn't realize you were merely driving an easy target for a 16G-equipped DSM. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What, a 13 second time makes a car a turd now? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Soon enough people will be saying 12s are slow at this rate! And i for one didn't see that much import bashing, and even so, why do you have to have a fast car to be allowed to have an opinion(good or bad) about other cars. Cuz lets face it, everything, if you have the money to buy parts for it, can be faster than somebody else, there will always be someone faster.
I don't know if any of that is going to make sense tomorrow/today morning, but im tired, and ranting, so deal with it.

vtechatch

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nick's00bergundyT/A:
<strong> So I'm on my way home from work today, and I pull to a stop light beside this older Integra with a fart can and a HUGE wing on the back. I give him a rev, and he replies with a rev. So I'm thinkin' hell yeah, I get to eat some rice today. I knew we had a little bit before the light turned green so I rolled down my window and shouted, "Hey, did that wing make your car faster?" He replied with, "Now I'm gonna have to spank your *** for talkin' ****." Then he reached down like he was turning something on. Nitrous? High boost? Who knows. Anyway, I'm ready to go, and the light turns green. I bust off the line, and realize that the cocky little F@#K didn't even try to race me. I was pissed, so I slowed down to 25 or so so he could catch up, and the little dick head did a ricer fly by on me. So, no race, but I know I would have spanked his ***. Especially since he punked out. I hate that. Ricer <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> Trans Am </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your giving ricers too much credit.
That guy had no business even being next to you,99% of Hondas are slow,I havent seen many of the 1% on the road,exept me,and people I know
Dan

vtechatch

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 25psi:
<strong> My friend with a b18c revhard turbo kit ran 12.8 112mph with the stock compression and your telling me it can't be done man please. There r all motor civics running 12's with bolt on's let me mind u there r some running 10's to all motor. I don't care if its gutted r not it's happening. So u r telling me a turbo charged b18c 10 psi can't run mid 12's also let me mind u he dynoed 268 to the wheels so what is that nearly 300 r just a bit over. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your absolutely right.Even tho I am an avid Honda owner and I am getting sick of them,I gotta share my opinion on this.

Hondas like our wives and Moms drive are slow.

A B18C is a motor from an Integra GSR with 170hp.

That might not sound like a good HP but sometime or another your gonna have to realize that being 1400 lbs lighter than an LS1 is a real significant difference.

My car ran 16.5@84 with the stock VX economy motor.
After a D16Z6 SOHC motor was swapped in and no mods at all the car ran a 15.8
After swapping in a B16A2 and no other mods my car ran a 14.7.
I only spent a total including car with all my go fast mods of 8600 and I can run a low-mid 13 on drag radials.
Sure to the majority my car doesnt look as nice as a WS6 or a C5,but thats means nothing about the times it can run in the 1/4 for a little spent.
The ricers you and I run into are running tired motors,most likely have no money,arent car guys,may not know how to drive.

Most of you guys drive animals and you may be smoking low 14 second Hondas and not even realize it.
True an LS1 Vette with a Loudmouth sounds insane at the top of second.

But if you heard my Civic rev up to 9500 all the way through 1st and second in a total of about 3 seconds youd love it,Maaaaaaaaybe.

I have tons of videos,just dont know what site lets you put them on the internet.

I have a video of me smoking a my friends Turbo Trans Am in my brothers Civic which is basically the same setup as me.
Dan

vtechatch

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by It'llrun:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ls1cam:
<strong>To answer the first question under 25,000. Secondly, a stock civic with a motor swap which runs somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000 installed and a few bolt ons can run with a stock v8. Don't forget a stock s2k runs the same as a stock mustang v8. Also if someone wants to buy a 25,000 Supra so what u pay get what u pay for. I haven't seen to many mustang or ls1 videos of one beating a supra either with a blower, gas or what ever.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll agree with under 25K... but that's the low end fora really clean one. I can't even try to agree, however, with the idea that a Civic can suddenly keep up with an LS1 or GT just by installing a B18 and a few (keyword) boltons. Seriously, the engine just isn't that strong. Sure, a Civic weighs 2600 or 2700 lbs... but that doesn't account for much when you are still dealing with FWD and a serious lack of torque, and hp. I know that stock S2000's run lower 14's (with a professional driving) but, they're also RWD and much more powerful than a B18 in stock form. if you're going to question whether or not an LS1 or GT with a power adder or "whatever" can outrun a Supra turbo... Well, what can I say? That's just ludicrous. There's little need for videos when something is so blatently obvious. Further questions should be directed to the "6 second zone"... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Ever seen a Supra do Thaaaa... Me neither.. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My Civic weighs 2030,One of the heaviest Civic's ever was a 200 Civic Si,weighing 2660

vtechatch

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by It'llrun:
<strong> I went to BullishRacing's site, but the quickest Supra they mentioned only ran 9.56@150.7, and that one broke in the 1st round... Idonno where those 6 second passes at almost 200mph are. There were no results available for 2002. But then, I can't see them knocking off over 3 seconds in one season. There were pics of the tube chassis Solara's but, no indications of their ET's, just the 1000hp thing...And it said the car was unvieled in April of this year.

They did mention a Focus running mid 7.60's@175, a mere 7 tenths and 25mph from 6's&200mph itself. Oh and it's a RWD... Think it's got a stock block? heh

One thing I find weird is those cars almost always seem to run really high mph to match the ET of American V8's... There are reasons for that and RWD cars help even it out. Anyway, when I see a Mustang (for instance) Pro5.0 car run 6.90's, I usually see 198-202mph speeds with it. How could these 6cyl. cars manage the same ET's at less mph? If there's a 6 second import, it's one I haven't heard of. I did hear that Matt Scranton was the 1st to break the 200mph barrier and he ran low 7's in doing so. He also used a V8.

Bullish states they're making over 1000hp... That's hardly enough to run 7's, much less 6's(2000hp). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have seen the video of the 6 second 200mph Solara too
Dan

vtechatch

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSpeeed:
<strong> 25psi, how bout you read my post before you reply. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I said it would cost way more than 3500 to get a
civic into the 12's. Yuh there are all motor civics running that with engines worth 15k!
whats thsi gutted stuff...
how about you stick to your original post about a "stock" civic. I dont care if gutted ones run 12's or 10's or whatever.
post a vid of a stock civic with a 3500 bolton turbo running low 12's w/ the bottomend not falling apart <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Im giving my opinion on your 1st post.
turbo civics with bolton turbos run mid to high 13's, I have hundreds of vids of that stuff...

"So u r telling me a turbo charged b18c 10 psi can't run mid 12's"
- yes </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here is a video of a 10.2 second NA Civic in CAR

http://ericksracing.com/images/phoenixincarex.avi

2000Z28NBM

Yep, I agree. I wouldn't waste my gas & time on most of them. Reminds me about a couple weeks ago while driving home on the freeway when out of nowhere this eclipse, with fart can & wing comes along and tries to entice me to race him. Needless to say I declined, and watched in disbelief as this idiot takes off with fart can & all sounding like an oversize weedeater, weaving in & out of traffic. Not smart or wise by any stretch of the imagination. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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2000 Z28 A4, Y3000 stall, borla exhaust, lid & Nitto Dr's.

2001bird

Looking back at isues of GM high tech I saw that the MTI LS1's recently won cleaned everybodies clock at a Supra meet about 6 month's back! Any way all this agueing is silly! All that really matters is can your car beat your opponets car, Supra, RX-7, hell even VW Beetles can be clean an LS-1 clock if ya put enough money into it. As for all the 6 second, 7 second import crap....... Doesn't matter those are race cars!

summoner

25psi.. high comp is bad for turbo cars. So most cases here in australia anyway they try to decomp the block via new pistons etc. So i don't see how a high comp vtec engine would respond well to turbo'ing without having some minor internal work done.

and yes. supra's rock have fun racing associates JDM spec supra TT on the fwy

SS Mark

There was a kid that lives near me that spent like 20k on his integra and couldnt break into the 13's <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Supras are a different story <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

funeclown

Nawwwwws,Nawwwwsss, Nawwwwws!!! I got five bottles in my trunk and my slammin corolla runs in the 7's G <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />

Check my mods yo!

-Type R-tard badge
-Aerodynamic stickers
-6 fire extinguishers
-968hp Vtec engine, 1000hp "with strut tower brace"
-1 lawn chair for driver
-1 big damn mouth