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Old 07-30-2005, 08:05 PM
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i was wondering if anyone had raced a vr4. My friend has one and it has some mods. i was wondering what mod or if i need any to beat him.
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All I know about them is that they have some **** poor trannies.
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the jetta? u'll win unless he has like four turbo's
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3k gt, u will smoke him
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being its an ls1 formy, if its an lt1, get a good launch, and u should beat him
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Depends on what mods he has. The vr4 is an AWD TT-V6 rated at 320 stock. They are the one of the harder hi-po japanese cars to get power out of. What year, the later ones have a 6 spd?
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Originally Posted by phoebus
i was wondering if anyone had raced a vr4. My friend has one and it has some mods. i was wondering what mod or if i need any to beat him.

I raced a VR4 with my T/A when it was stock i pulled about 2 car lengths on him. Then he told me that he missed a gear and that his boost wasent working. Well better luck nxt time
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I've read alot of stories on here about VR4s getting spanked by anything with an LS1
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yeah he has boost control, full exhaust, fuel control, front mount intercooler,and intake. I hope i can beat him but i don't know i think it will be close. i been with him in a couple of races and ive seen him pull 2 cars on a saleen281 not s/c or anything but they only race about an 1/8. but i guess will see pretty soon.
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Good luck and I think he has an advantage.
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If he has the aforementioned mods plus upgraded turbos, you're toast. Sorry. You don't need fuel controls and a FMIC until you upgrade the turbos. If the guy can drive worth a crap, he's gonna pull some low 1.7/high 1.6 60' times on crappy radials. Then you're only going to race an 1/8th of a mile??? Advantage AWD turbo on every front. Run him at least a 1/4 mile so you'll have a chance to pull back the 4-5 car lengths he's going to put on you right from the get go. And whoever says these cars are hard to make horsepower with really doesn't know anything about the 3/S platform. Sorry again.
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Originally Posted by Smokinstorm
If he has the aforementioned mods plus upgraded turbos, you're toast. Sorry. You don't need fuel controls and a FMIC until you upgrade the turbos. If the guy can drive worth a crap, he's gonna pull some low 1.7/high 1.6 60' times on crappy radials. Then you're only going to race an 1/8th of a mile??? Advantage AWD turbo on every front. Run him at least a 1/4 mile so you'll have a chance to pull back the 4-5 car lengths he's going to put on you right from the get go. And whoever says these cars are hard to make horsepower with really doesn't know anything about the 3/S platform. Sorry again.
That's why the fastest one is stuck in the 10's .
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before i bought my trans am i had a 1997 z28 w/ a m6, i raced one with a 6 speed, also the motor had been rebuilt or so he said. anywase i raced him from a 40 drop in second and through second i pulled i little bit but when i hit third i had a steady pull on em' by the way my car was completely stock. u will blow his doors off...literally
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That's why the fastest one is stuck in the 10's
I stand by what I wrote 100%. If the Formula is stock or close to it and the VR4 has a 15 dollar boost controller and no more mods, the Formula has seen a bad day. Fact. Not fiction or speculation.

On the horsepower thing. The 3/S is easy to make horsepower with. It's just a bitch to keep together once you start making power. The transfer case should be on a car with half the weight and horsepower stock. It gets really fragile once you start putting down some power.
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No he doesn't have upgraded turbo's yet but he will pretty soon but right now he is still on stock turbo, and we were probly going to race from about 30-traffic or one of us has acouple of lengths. but his car is a 93 so it only had 300hp stock but now with all those mods i don't know what he's got. but yeah those tranies suck he had to replace the input shaft,clutch,and flywheel like the second day he had it.so he is kinda scared to launch so.he will prob pull away to about 80 or 90 and then the awd will slow him down. I"ll post results in acouple of days.
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o and btw when i was talking about an 1/8 i was talking about when he race the saleen
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2,972 cc / 300 hp / 307 lb-ft / 3803 lbs / 0-60 mph 5.5 sec.

There are the specs for the 93. Not too impressive with the AWD. This will be a good race
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It all depends on how the guy can drive. A guy on 3si.org pulled a 13.6 out of a stock 1st gen VR4.
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A Saleen 281 (non SC) is just a damn GT with a body kit isn't it? His car is HEAVY...dont race him from a dig and pull to atleast 100mph and you'll be fine.
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If you run him from a 30 roll, you're going to win. You've taken away his advantage. Just to give you an example of how a TT 1st gen can run (almost) stock though. On a 40 degree day (it's MUCH, MUCH slower in the heat BTW), I made a single pass down my local 1/8th mile track after driving 2 hours to get there. No cool down period whatsoever. I pulled a 1.77 60' time and that turned into an 8.11 @ 85.86 MPH. My car has a 15 dollar boost controller turned up to 15 PSI, a better clutch so I could actually launch the car and the exhaust was cut off right after the Stillen downpipe. No other mods. The car weighed 3800 pounds w/o me and I'm pushing 380. Yep, both the car and myself are overweight pigs. I've raced my 93TT against my 2000 Camaro SS A4 several times. In a 1/4 mile it's damned close with the 93TT jumping out to a 3-4 car length headstart and holding that advantage through the 1/8th mile mark. The last 1/8th belongs to the SS. Though it doesn't always catch the TT, it always starts making up ground. My SS is stock except for a converter, a 3.42 geared 12 bolt rear that actually slows me down, a Loudmouth cat back and a lid. It's run 8.20's @ 86 MPH in the 1/8th. Anything over about 80 MPH and the SS is gaining ground. If you take the race from 30 to over 100, you should start pulling pretty good. From a dig, you may be in trouble.



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