94 Camaro Z28 m6 beat 98 T/A ls1 a4
09-07-2005, 01:39 AM
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94 Camaro Z28 m6 beat 98 T/A ls1 a4 i just got done beating a 98 Trans Am a4 with my 94 Z28 m6 we both have similar mods he's got a cold air intake with full exhaust no cats and i've got SLP cold air with hooker cat-back along with an air foil and we had several races from a dead stop and a few roll ons, when doing the roll ons from about 10-15 mph i would have a car length on him all the way up to about 60 or so then he would just get past me and then by the time i hit 4th gear i was pulling on him pretty well i ended up having about 2 car lengths at 100 mph and still pulling untill we let off at about 110-115
needless to say i am very proud of my Lt1 with just basic bolt ons
(by the way we kept it safe we were on an old abandoned runway where nobody could have been put at risk
needless to say i am very proud of my Lt1 with just basic bolt ons
(by the way we kept it safe we were on an old abandoned runway where nobody could have been put at risk
09-07-2005, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
i just got done beating a 98 Trans Am a4 with my 94 Z28 m6 we both have similar mods he's got a cold air intake with full exhaust no cats and i've got SLP cold air with hooker cat-back along with an air foil and we had several races from a dead stop and a few roll ons, when doing the roll ons from about 10-15 mph i would have a car length on him all the way up to about 60 or so then he would just get past me and then by the time i hit 4th gear i was pulling on him pretty well i ended up having about 2 car lengths at 100 mph and still pulling untill we let off at about 110-115
needless to say i am very proud of my Lt1 with just basic bolt ons
(by the way we kept it safe we were on an old abandoned runway where nobody could have been put at risk
needless to say i am very proud of my Lt1 with just basic bolt ons
(by the way we kept it safe we were on an old abandoned runway where nobody could have been put at risk
You pull a car length from 10mph to 60mph. Then they pull in front, yet by 4th gear you where pulling hard on him by 2 car lenghts.
So you over took them twice??
That aside, it sounds more like they have no idea how to drive. The LT1's are nice motors but from a roll even a relatively stock LS1 should pull pretty easy, esp up at the higher mph's.
Nice win though, as after all a win is a win.
09-07-2005, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
doesn't seem to add up, not just the results your account.
You pull a car length from 10mph to 60mph. Then they pull in front, yet by 4th gear you where pulling hard on him by 2 car lenghts.
So you over took them twice??
That aside, it sounds more like they have no idea how to drive. The LT1's are nice motors but from a roll even a relatively stock LS1 should pull pretty easy, esp up at the higher mph's.
Nice win though, as after all a win is a win.
You pull a car length from 10mph to 60mph. Then they pull in front, yet by 4th gear you where pulling hard on him by 2 car lenghts.
So you over took them twice??
That aside, it sounds more like they have no idea how to drive. The LT1's are nice motors but from a roll even a relatively stock LS1 should pull pretty easy, esp up at the higher mph's.
Nice win though, as after all a win is a win.
09-07-2005, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
what happened was i got the jump on him right off the bat pulled a car on him and held it til about half way through 2nd gear for the ls1 where the highend power of the ls1 pulled passed me when the ls1 hit third gear i was able to pull ahead of him again because of how much the rpms drop going from 2nd to 3rd in an auto if we were to have raced longer there is no doubt in my mind the ls1 would have retaken the lead and kept it but there simply wasn't enough time for the ls1
However, unless there is somthing up with that LS1 it was the driver you beat. Which is kinda good really, as it means it wasn't the machine making the difference.
If the Ls1 had the power to pull ahead then it would/should have easily stayed there.
And remeber LS1's make more low end power than LT1's, it just they make even more high end power and don't mind the revs so much. Giving the illusion that they are weaker down low.
Also just an FYI - auto's can be and are quick. the rpm drop off from 2nd to 3rd will always be the same % unless the internal gear ratio's are changed. A rear end swap will have no bearing on it.
Not sure if your meaning it would, but thats the way I read it.
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09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 199TAmaster
i walk all over lt1s from 10-15 rolls and im pretty much stock with 20s and 2.73
my lt1 has always been a pretty strong runner with the few bolt ons that i have, stock lt1's that i have raced havn't even been close and few of the other ls1's that i have tangled with i have been very close to but they usually end up beating me i dont know what was going on with this guys ls1 but it surprised me that i pulled on him like i did
i just need to find the time to get out to the track and the dyno so i can post some numbers for you guys
09-07-2005, 06:31 PM
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yea my brother has a ws6 with very few mod heck i dont even think hes got any bolt-ons and ive seen him run 8.9 in 1/8 so far the best ive got is an 8.95 but thats with 20s and 2.73
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I got a 97 Camaro Z28, LT1-T56 with K&N and 4.11s and I have walked on a couple of LS1s with exhaust and a CAI. But I ran into a 02 SLP SS and I got my *** handed to me, didnt talk to him though. All I got out of him was, "Its an SLP LS1". Both the LS1s I have beaten were autos, but the SLP car was a M6. It didnt cam or anything, but it ran extemely well, after the other 2 LS1s I have raced, needless to say I was surprised. I have only raced three LS1s as of right now, theres not too many people with F-bodys in my hometown. Well, V8 F-bodys anyway. I have moved to a bigger town now though to go to school, so maybe Ill get a little more racing with real competition in.
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09-08-2005, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
However, unless there is somthing up with that LS1 it was the driver you beat. Which is kinda good really, as it means it wasn't the machine making the difference.
The LT1 car was a M6 and the LS1 was an auto. Theres alot more room for driver error in the M6 car than the auto. Unless he was manually shifting automatic gears, I dont really see how he could have messed up after he got rolling. Not trying to start anything, (Id be extremely outnumbered anyway, lol) just my take on things.........
09-08-2005, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 97Z28LT1
The LT1 car was a M6 and the LS1 was an auto. Theres alot more room for driver error in the M6 car than the auto. Unless he was manually shifting automatic gears, I dont really see how he could have messed up after he got rolling. Not trying to start anything, (Id be extremely outnumbered anyway, lol) just my take on things.........
It would be more likely that the M6 dirver would mess up gear changes. However if the LS1 was running fine, I can not think of any other logical explanation.
And although auto's should be easy I think many people get them so wrong. Espcially from a roll. The M6 guy can hold the car in gear (at hopefully the correct rpms for maximum effect) and when they hammer it they'll get instant response. The auto guy probably left it in D or maybe even OD. Now at 15mph that car will not be in 1st, it will either be in 3rd or possible even 4th (depending how quick they where going) so when they hot the loud pedal they'll have a delay before the auto box responds. This delay can be enough to loss a race between potentially similar matched cars.
Also if they let off the the pedal a bit towards the red line the auto box will shift early, again costing time. So assuming the Lt1 is a strong lt1 capable of pulling midish high 13's (13.7) and the 2.73 geared Ls1 is only pulling 13.5's it would taken too many small errors to loose to the less powerful car.
09-08-2005, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
no I agree 100%
It would be more likely that the M6 dirver would mess up gear changes. However if the LS1 was running fine, I can not think of any other logical explanation.
And although auto's should be easy I think many people get them so wrong. Espcially from a roll. The M6 guy can hold the car in gear (at hopefully the correct rpms for maximum effect) and when they hammer it they'll get instant response. The auto guy probably left it in D or maybe even OD. Now at 15mph that car will not be in 1st, it will either be in 3rd or possible even 4th (depending how quick they where going) so when they hot the loud pedal they'll have a delay before the auto box responds. This delay can be enough to loss a race between potentially similar matched cars.
Also if they let off the the pedal a bit towards the red line the auto box will shift early, again costing time. So assuming the Lt1 is a strong lt1 capable of pulling midish high 13's (13.7) and the 2.73 geared Ls1 is only pulling 13.5's it would taken too many small errors to loose to the less powerful car.
It would be more likely that the M6 dirver would mess up gear changes. However if the LS1 was running fine, I can not think of any other logical explanation.
And although auto's should be easy I think many people get them so wrong. Espcially from a roll. The M6 guy can hold the car in gear (at hopefully the correct rpms for maximum effect) and when they hammer it they'll get instant response. The auto guy probably left it in D or maybe even OD. Now at 15mph that car will not be in 1st, it will either be in 3rd or possible even 4th (depending how quick they where going) so when they hot the loud pedal they'll have a delay before the auto box responds. This delay can be enough to loss a race between potentially similar matched cars.
Also if they let off the the pedal a bit towards the red line the auto box will shift early, again costing time. So assuming the Lt1 is a strong lt1 capable of pulling midish high 13's (13.7) and the 2.73 geared Ls1 is only pulling 13.5's it would taken too many small errors to loose to the less powerful car.
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I've pulled several LS1s off the line and held it, both on the street and at the track, however I'll usually get walked from a roll.
LT1s only require a catback, gears and tires to get into the 12.9s. I've seen it with my own eyes
LT1s only require a catback, gears and tires to get into the 12.9s. I've seen it with my own eyes
