Viper Kill
Originally Posted by Whisper
Id be damn tempted to atleast...but again that stems from my contempt for wealthy ignorance.
Not to get off topic, but just watching **** like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famouns on VH1 or 'My Super Sweet 16' on MTV makes me despise America and want to incite a nationwide riot.
Not to get off topic, but just watching **** like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famouns on VH1 or 'My Super Sweet 16' on MTV makes me despise America and want to incite a nationwide riot.
Hey, don't forget BRIDEZILLA while you're at it!
Originally Posted by Racehead
So you're both turning left and he's on the outside ( to the right ) of you correct ? If he lost the rear end at the apex of the left hand turn, and he's on the outside ( to the right ) of you. How did his rear end swing into your lane ? Simply physics dictate that his rear end swung AWAY from you ?
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Originally Posted by ACPromotions
I was sitting at a traffic light waiting to take a left onto a divided four lane road and a new Viper (temp tags) pulled into the outside (left) turn lane. Since I had passed him earlier in a 40 mph area, I figured he was out to race. Since he had temp tags, I got a bad feeling that he may be unfamiliar with the power of the car. I let him jump me turning left and at the apex of the turn, he lost the rear end into my lane and then caught traction and shot across the center medium, over the grass, down another curb and ended up on the other side. At least no traffic was coming or else the damage would have been even greater. Needless to say, I didn't stop to provide assistance as a turbo F-body and a Viper together at an accident scene is an open invitation to a racing ticket. Thank goodness I let him jump me although it was rather surreal watching as I rolled out at a liesurely 5mph clip. All the money in the world doesn't buy driver skill! About the kill, the little accident probably killed his wallet!
Originally Posted by FLeXNuTZ
I know you're probably pretty worried about cops in this situation but these guys are correct, the popo can't ticket you for something he didn't witness.
IF the Viper guy claims he did something to cause the accident . . . like RACING . . . not to mention the fact that a bystander might corroborate such an accusation looking at the two cars in question.
Even if said bystander didn't witness the actual occurence, whose to say what they would say once they saw the after-math and the two cars involved.
Perspective and opinion.
Yes . . . under the right circumstances he could have gotten a FEW tickets written by a cop whom did NOT witness the event.
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
Okay, your assessment is correct from all angles. Moreover, both opinions hold such a validity, and one is cast and the other chosen based on which of these two values (1 & 2) is higher for the individual making the choice.
For a circumstantial state of affairs containing the characteristics of a dilemma, these would be the two values previously referred to:
1. Positive regard toward self
2. Positive regard toward others
They would hardly be found to be equal in any individual, one being higher than the other in most, thereby deciding the ultimate surmise for these kinds of choices for a particular individual. This is the dynamic, reasonable and civilized.
My opinion stands, and society benefits at the cost of self for outlooks of this sort. Altruism is a rare commodity, no doubt, because it seems unreasonable. Yet, we all expect it from others, interestingly. Welcome to big city life in America...
Case in point: Here in Miami, I saw something enlightening the other day. An old man had his hazards on and was coming to a stop with his engine smoking. Some lady that was stuck behind him and having trouble passing to another lane because nobody would let her (Oh, an accidental and additional premise) had to come to a stop, too. She was furious! She yelled at him at the top of her lungs and flipped him off! I had stopped from the other lane, to help, and proceeded to pull over to the side of the road as I saw this happen. My blood boiled, and I yelled at her, "What the **** do you want the guy to do. His car is fucked up! Be considerate."
She yells back, "This idiot needs to be considerate, I need to be at work and so does everybody else driving right now. People have jobs to get to, to feed their families. Why would somebody driving a car in that condition take this road at this time... He's ******* inconsiderate, you *******!" Then she flipped me off and drove onward. Yeah, people make their choices...
Operating on her set of values, there's no apparent fallacy and her outlook is well-supported, rational.
There are people on both sides, but we're lucky to have one kind and not so lucky to have the other. I suppose this is what my point is. I would hope it is not uncivilized, too.
For a circumstantial state of affairs containing the characteristics of a dilemma, these would be the two values previously referred to:
1. Positive regard toward self
2. Positive regard toward others
They would hardly be found to be equal in any individual, one being higher than the other in most, thereby deciding the ultimate surmise for these kinds of choices for a particular individual. This is the dynamic, reasonable and civilized.
My opinion stands, and society benefits at the cost of self for outlooks of this sort. Altruism is a rare commodity, no doubt, because it seems unreasonable. Yet, we all expect it from others, interestingly. Welcome to big city life in America...
Case in point: Here in Miami, I saw something enlightening the other day. An old man had his hazards on and was coming to a stop with his engine smoking. Some lady that was stuck behind him and having trouble passing to another lane because nobody would let her (Oh, an accidental and additional premise) had to come to a stop, too. She was furious! She yelled at him at the top of her lungs and flipped him off! I had stopped from the other lane, to help, and proceeded to pull over to the side of the road as I saw this happen. My blood boiled, and I yelled at her, "What the **** do you want the guy to do. His car is fucked up! Be considerate."
She yells back, "This idiot needs to be considerate, I need to be at work and so does everybody else driving right now. People have jobs to get to, to feed their families. Why would somebody driving a car in that condition take this road at this time... He's ******* inconsiderate, you *******!" Then she flipped me off and drove onward. Yeah, people make their choices...
Operating on her set of values, there's no apparent fallacy and her outlook is well-supported, rational.
There are people on both sides, but we're lucky to have one kind and not so lucky to have the other. I suppose this is what my point is. I would hope it is not uncivilized, too.
no offense dude but you need a life. you have way to much time on your hands to be writing textbooks.
the manners and courtesy to others is much appreciated, unlike some people who just jumo down each others throats on this forum. i don't think that i would have helped either. you have to look out for numero uno first. its todays world that makes it that way. its sad to say but i don't trust anyone unless i know them.
Originally Posted by stangkiller
no offense dude but you need a life. you have way to much time on your hands to be writing textbooks. the manners and courtesy to others is much appreciated, unlike some people who just jumo down each others throats on this forum. i don't think that i would have helped either. you have to look out for numero uno first. its todays world that makes it that way. its sad to say but i don't trust anyone unless i know them.
the manners and courtesy to others is much appreciated, unlike some people who just jumo down each others throats on this forum. i don't think that i would have helped either. you have to look out for numero uno first. its todays world that makes it that way. its sad to say but i don't trust anyone unless i know them.No offense was taken. I write as a hobby, and given the fact that I have had some essays published in small school publications with some philosophy classmates when I was an undergrad (philosophy was my minor), you should be lead to understand that morality and ethics, being subtopics, would be areas of my interests. These are interests that I jump at provided that I get the opportunity.
Is there something you like to write about? Maybe there is... maybe not... I'll write enthusiastically about topics for which I hold enthusiasm... make sense? I like to drive very quicky, so I do that. I like to eat 20 oz. porterhouse steaks, so I eat them. I like to drink beers from around the world, so I drink them. I have no life 'cause I'm doing what I like to do?
It sounds like your understanding of the interests of others doesn't extend past your own two feet (Additionally evidenced by your "numero uno" statements)... Thus, I couldn't possibly be offended by someone like you. By the way, there are other people like you with individual identities, ideas, hobbies, and experiences... Just in case you didn't know.
Anyway, seriously now:
Textbook? Sir, I wrote that in three to five minutes. Whooptie-Doo... And I enjoyed it as much as I enjoy writing a post about educating the occasional ricer... Good writing for me.
After reading the original poster's second post, I agree with his actions. So, I'm with you about going about my merry way. I also agree with you how quickly people jump down throats... yeah, you said it: Today's world sucks. It seems that way sometimes...
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Originally Posted by The Dragon
Not true.
IF the Viper guy claims he did something to cause the accident . . . like RACING . . . not to mention the fact that a bystander might corroborate such an accusation looking at the two cars in question.
Even if said bystander didn't witness the actual occurence, whose to say what they would say once they saw the after-math and the two cars involved.
Perspective and opinion.
Yes . . . under the right circumstances he could have gotten a FEW tickets written by a cop whom did NOT witness the event.
IF the Viper guy claims he did something to cause the accident . . . like RACING . . . not to mention the fact that a bystander might corroborate such an accusation looking at the two cars in question.
Even if said bystander didn't witness the actual occurence, whose to say what they would say once they saw the after-math and the two cars involved.
Perspective and opinion.
Yes . . . under the right circumstances he could have gotten a FEW tickets written by a cop whom did NOT witness the event.
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
No offense was taken. I write as a hobby, and given the fact that I have had some essays published in small school publications with some philosophy classmates when I was an undergrad (philosophy was my minor), you should be lead to understand that morality and ethics, being subtopics, would be areas of my interests. These are interests that I jump at provided that I get the opportunity.
Is there something you like to write about? Maybe there is... maybe not... I'll write enthusiastically about topics for which I hold enthusiasm... make sense? I like to drive very quicky, so I do that. I like to eat 20 oz. porterhouse steaks, so I eat them. I like to drink beers from around the world, so I drink them. I have no life 'cause I'm doing what I like to do? It sounds like your understanding of the interests of others doesn't extend past your own two feet (Additionally evidenced by your "numero uno" statements)... Thus, I couldn't possibly be offended by someone like you.
By the way, there are other people like you with individual identities, ideas, hobbies, and experiences... Just in case you didn't know.
Anyway, seriously now:
Textbook? Sir, I wrote that in three to five minutes. Whooptie-Doo... And I enjoyed it as much as I enjoy writing a post about educating the occasional ricer... Good writing for me.
After reading the original poster's second post, I agree with his actions. So, I'm with you about going about my merry way. I also agree with you how quickly people jump down throats... yeah, you said it: Today's world sucks. It seems that way sometimes...
Is there something you like to write about? Maybe there is... maybe not... I'll write enthusiastically about topics for which I hold enthusiasm... make sense? I like to drive very quicky, so I do that. I like to eat 20 oz. porterhouse steaks, so I eat them. I like to drink beers from around the world, so I drink them. I have no life 'cause I'm doing what I like to do?
It sounds like your understanding of the interests of others doesn't extend past your own two feet (Additionally evidenced by your "numero uno" statements)... Thus, I couldn't possibly be offended by someone like you. By the way, there are other people like you with individual identities, ideas, hobbies, and experiences... Just in case you didn't know.
Anyway, seriously now:
Textbook? Sir, I wrote that in three to five minutes. Whooptie-Doo... And I enjoyed it as much as I enjoy writing a post about educating the occasional ricer... Good writing for me.
After reading the original poster's second post, I agree with his actions. So, I'm with you about going about my merry way. I also agree with you how quickly people jump down throats... yeah, you said it: Today's world sucks. It seems that way sometimes...
.just curious though when you said "someone like you" what were you referring to? just trying to see what you have "gathered" about me. 
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Originally Posted by stangkiller
i wasn't realistically trying to say you need a life, i was just using it as a figure of speech. also i can see that you like writing. i bet you like talking just as much .just curious though when you said "someone like you" what were you referring to? just trying to see what you have "gathered" about me.
.just curious though when you said "someone like you" what were you referring to? just trying to see what you have "gathered" about me.
It sounds like your understanding of the interests of others doesn't extend past your own two feet.
Sorry about that. Anyway, back to the thread, sometimes people could be more helpful and DEF some people have too much money... certainly not me, though.
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i am never serious on this forum unless its technical knowledge some people however react all kinds of ways. i know the feeling about not having any money, both of us are in positions that we do good for the world you being a teacher (checked your profile) and i am in the navy, while football players can act like fools and still make millions, and millions. anyways nice talking to ya. yeah, and back to the subject at hand. i guess it really depends on the situation, there is no way in knowing how the outcome would have been for stopping and helping, and i bet he is happy for not finding out, it could have been many headaches or just the opposite. have a great day.
Originally Posted by stangkiller
i am never serious on this forum unless its technical knowledge some people however react all kinds of ways. i know the feeling about not having any money, both of us are in positions that we do good for the world you being a teacher (checked your profile) and i am in the navy, while football players can act like fools and still make millions, and millions. anyways nice talking to ya. yeah, and back to the subject at hand. i guess it really depends on the situation, there is no way in knowing how the outcome would have been for stopping and helping, and i bet he is happy for not finding out, it could have been many headaches or just the opposite. have a great day.
Yeah, the rewards for what we do (making the world better) must be stashed for us somewhere for later... 'Cause are our salaries certainly aren't rewarding!This is the problem with the average person who buys a car like a Viper, they usually get what they want.
Before I got my LS1, HA, let's examine the list: 88 Tbird, 89 Hyundai, 86 Tbird, 90 Probe, 88 Regal, then 99 Civic (My nicest car before the LS1), AND THEN my MRM TA. It's been a long road, but that what makes most of us appreciate our LS1's, the wait instead of instant gratification. You know, "I want a Porsche today... Honey, let's go to the dealer after brunch." Some people are like that.
I'm not criticizing all people who are well off... Just people who are elitist, some even act this way AND aren't really rich anyway. 
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Good reading here, y'all!
Actually, we as American citizens have DUTIES that go along with our RIGHTS as such. One of those duties is to offer assistance to other citizens in distress. Say I'm walking along a riverbank and come upon a man out in the river who can't swim and is in danger of drowning. Being able to swim, I am OBLIGATED to render aid to this man. If I don't, and it is proven that I watched the incident unfold without helping out, then I can be held liable for the man's death and punished accordingly.
It's probably one of the first laws ever introduced to this nation(dating back to before the 1800s), yet it's one that we could all stand to understand... out DUTIES as Americans.
Actually, we as American citizens have DUTIES that go along with our RIGHTS as such. One of those duties is to offer assistance to other citizens in distress. Say I'm walking along a riverbank and come upon a man out in the river who can't swim and is in danger of drowning. Being able to swim, I am OBLIGATED to render aid to this man. If I don't, and it is proven that I watched the incident unfold without helping out, then I can be held liable for the man's death and punished accordingly.
It's probably one of the first laws ever introduced to this nation(dating back to before the 1800s), yet it's one that we could all stand to understand... out DUTIES as Americans.
I was trying to assert a similar position before. I agree with you, but in this case, I'm persuaded that as long as the driver could keep moving on and looking back to see if aid seemed necessary, it would be okay to keep on moving and avoid a possible *******-cop-ticket.
Trust me. My experiences on the road have been very different. Read the first page for a story of mine where some older guys started helping me when I was driving wrecklessly and did something stupid. I guess my experiences have lead me to be a little naive, so whatever... But yes... if only every American thought like that, then we wouldn't have any of these kinds of problems.
Trust me. My experiences on the road have been very different. Read the first page for a story of mine where some older guys started helping me when I was driving wrecklessly and did something stupid. I guess my experiences have lead me to be a little naive, so whatever... But yes... if only every American thought like that, then we wouldn't have any of these kinds of problems.
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Oh, I remember. I'd venture to say that most people on here, given a situation that the original author of this thread was in at the time, would probably slow down and at least make sure noone was seriously hurt. If nobody's hurt, laff your @$$ off, I say. If the dude IS hurt badly, stop and help out, get him to the hospital/call 911/render some sort of aid... and when all's well again, LAFF YOUR @$$ OFF!!!
I had a guy in a viper do EXACTLY the same thing. I passed him on a straight road then he pulled behind me at a light. I could see the guy was fuming in the rear view and was ready for anything. I turned right onto a 4 lane road and stayed in first gear around 20 mph in the far right hand lane. His dumb *** tried to floor it while making a wide right hand turn, an obvious attempt at a ricer flyby. He lost control, but still tried to stay on the throttle. He could not stand that I was pulling away from him. He ended up doing a 180 and catching air over the median into oncoming traffic. Total dumbass. He just missed several cars and busted up his driveline. I carried my ***! Turns out that he blamed a red F Body for running him off of the road. Self preservation is superior to altruism. If anyone is stupid enough to pull over and assist a dumb *** wreckless driver, then you deserve to lose your liscense as well. No one was hurt, but if I had stopped, he would have blamed me and we both would have been in serious trouble.
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There are some very valid reasons as to why some may not stop for this guy, BEING A RICH WEALTHY MORON SHOULD NOT BE ONE OF THEM. Whisper just broadcast all over this board that he/she is a broke moron. I am sorry but the word moron comes to mind when someone 20 years of age is preaching life lessons and then talks about driving around the man and making fun of him. It seems you have learned little in life as of yet. If that was me, you would be dead. Thus giving a very real reason to not stop. An angry pissed off Viper driver with a gun in his posession. Been there, done that. I have been shot at twice in real life situations. None dealing with road racing however, both very real and very scary. Again some valid concerns for not stopping and some good dialogue, however, we all knew there would be a bonehead in the crowd. ALWAYS IS. Sorry whisper, I know it seems personal but it is just the remarks that sent me off this time. I am sure you are a good person. Well, I hope so. By the way what did the viper owner do that was so stupid? Step on the gas rounding a corner. You have never done that? I agree he was a numnut if he did this and just took ownership of a nasty 500hp vehicle, but what if he owned another viper and just bought this one on a swap or something. Deep pockets as previously stated. By the way (deep pockets) another real reason for not stopping, MAYBE? Not sure on that one yet. Dr.Bigg has seen many accidents and most are not very fun to look at for the patients involved. Saying that, I still get on the gas pedal a time or two. I have had the z06 up to 172 on I95 in the sunny state of florida. No one else around except my buddy in his 300z, 1990 twin turbo about 2 car lengths back coming up on me at about 179mph. He was flying and I let off. I was scared he wasn't. Too fast for me. Never again. Dr.Bigg
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Originally Posted by Ric
Good reading here, y'all!
Actually, we as American citizens have DUTIES that go along with our RIGHTS as such. One of those duties is to offer assistance to other citizens in distress. Say I'm walking along a riverbank and come upon a man out in the river who can't swim and is in danger of drowning. Being able to swim, I am OBLIGATED to render aid to this man. If I don't, and it is proven that I watched the incident unfold without helping out, then I can be held liable for the man's death and punished accordingly.
It's probably one of the first laws ever introduced to this nation(dating back to before the 1800s), yet it's one that we could all stand to understand... out DUTIES as Americans.
Actually, we as American citizens have DUTIES that go along with our RIGHTS as such. One of those duties is to offer assistance to other citizens in distress. Say I'm walking along a riverbank and come upon a man out in the river who can't swim and is in danger of drowning. Being able to swim, I am OBLIGATED to render aid to this man. If I don't, and it is proven that I watched the incident unfold without helping out, then I can be held liable for the man's death and punished accordingly.
It's probably one of the first laws ever introduced to this nation(dating back to before the 1800s), yet it's one that we could all stand to understand... out DUTIES as Americans.
your exactly right, its too bad that every american doesn't think like that anymore as bboyferal stated. in todays world you have to look out for "numero uno" as i previously stated. yes there are still good people out there , but they are few and far between. we need to get everyone to sit down at a certain time on a certain day and watch the movie "Pay it forward".
Glad you're okay!
Originally Posted by Quickshotkimber
Self preservation is superior to altruism.
Absolutely WRONG
Are you married? Do you have children?
****... I'd jump in the way of a bullet anytime for my wife.
Both CAN be incredibly strong values, and a healthy individuality will carry one value highly... respective to a specific dilemma, so a variety will exist, not a SUPERIOR value, so to speak.
To say this as a general statement as if it was always the case... Ridiculous... NEVER, in the history of the world has a society upheld this view, proper, as stated.
You watch too many MAD MAX movies. Thank God that in our society, despite the ******** around us, MANY people maintain a stronger sense of altruism than self-preservation.
I hope you meant that S.P. can and should be a more greatly upheld value than Altruism AT TIMES. SIMILARLY, the reverse IS true, as well.
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Originally Posted by bboyferal
Absolutely WRONG
Are you married? Do you have children?
Yep, a great wife and no kids yet
****... I'd jump in the way of a bullet anytime for my wife.
Good for you, I'm sure that your wife wouldn't have a hard time finding someone else. I, being a previous tactical shooting instructor, would be firing bullets instead of jumping in front of them.
Both CAN be incredibly strong values, and a healthy individuality will carry one value highly... respective to a specific dilemma, so a variety will exist, not a SUPERIOR value, so to speak.
To say this as a general statement as if it was always the case... Ridiculous... NEVER, in the history of the world has a society upheld this view, proper, as stated.
Actually, we are the first nation based on individualism and not collectivism. The ability to fail or succeed on our own.
You watch too many MAD MAX movies. Thank God that in our society, despite the ******** around us, MANY people maintain a stronger sense of altruism than self-preservation.
You can think whatever invisible friend you choose to bow to. I bow to no man or superdupernatural being. There are MANY of you that are more than happy to call yourselves SHEEP. Maybe you should try reading a book by AYN RAND instead of watching TV.
I hope you meant that S.P. can and should be a more greatly upheld value than Altruism AT TIMES.
Nope, nothing is more valuable than your own life. There is nothing worth sacrificing it. Unless you are just in a hurry to move into your mansion in the sky with the gold street and pearly gate.
SIMILARLY, the reverse IS true, as well.
Are you married? Do you have children?
Yep, a great wife and no kids yet
****... I'd jump in the way of a bullet anytime for my wife.
Good for you, I'm sure that your wife wouldn't have a hard time finding someone else. I, being a previous tactical shooting instructor, would be firing bullets instead of jumping in front of them.
Both CAN be incredibly strong values, and a healthy individuality will carry one value highly... respective to a specific dilemma, so a variety will exist, not a SUPERIOR value, so to speak.
To say this as a general statement as if it was always the case... Ridiculous... NEVER, in the history of the world has a society upheld this view, proper, as stated.
Actually, we are the first nation based on individualism and not collectivism. The ability to fail or succeed on our own.
You watch too many MAD MAX movies. Thank God that in our society, despite the ******** around us, MANY people maintain a stronger sense of altruism than self-preservation.
You can think whatever invisible friend you choose to bow to. I bow to no man or superdupernatural being. There are MANY of you that are more than happy to call yourselves SHEEP. Maybe you should try reading a book by AYN RAND instead of watching TV.
I hope you meant that S.P. can and should be a more greatly upheld value than Altruism AT TIMES. Nope, nothing is more valuable than your own life. There is nothing worth sacrificing it. Unless you are just in a hurry to move into your mansion in the sky with the gold street and pearly gate.
SIMILARLY, the reverse IS true, as well.