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03-09-2006, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
Did I say that?? NOPE, you said that. What I was referring to is the fact that considering the Evo's power, its only as fast as it is becasue its AWD. With 3200lbs and 276HP, its would only run about 14.0 at best if it were FWD. Yet they are almost a full second quicker, due to the AWD launch. Read what I actually wrote before you go and assume things 
WTF? RWD aggressively geared 280HP cars will run a lot faster than 14 flat. Think LT1 with gears. Who the crap cares about FWD. besides which, its beside the point saying "your only fast because you have AWD is the same as rycer BS about how, 'that V8 should disconect 4 of its spark plugs'. Its got it. Deal with it.
How do you figure that?? With 301WHP, you wouldn't even be able to walk a stock LS1 from a roll. They put down over 300HP at the wheels stock, and with "light mods" as you say, that number would most likely be closer to 325WHP. Not only that, but the LS1 also has significantly more torque to work with as well as a 6-speed manual instead of a 5-speed like your car. The weight difference is minimal to begin with, and even more so from a roll.
Wthey dyno a car, they do it in one gear, and apply corrections as neccesary to deal with the selected ratio. Evos have very aggresive 1st through 5th ratios, which really is not the case with say an M6. Hence they trade to speed for acceleration. 300WHP cars can and do pull stock LS1s depending on gearing. The dyno does not tell all even in roll racing.
Do you have any clue what kind of WHP Evos put down stock?? About 230-240WHP due to approximately 25% AWD drivetrain loss. Thats not even anything close to enough to hang with an LS1, which puts down over 300WHP stock. So unless you have some serious mods, you're aren't "putting any LSX's to shame"
WTF? RWD aggressively geared 280HP cars will run a lot faster than 14 flat. Think LT1 with gears. Who the crap cares about FWD. besides which, its beside the point saying "your only fast because you have AWD is the same as rycer BS about how, 'that V8 should disconect 4 of its spark plugs'. Its got it. Deal with it.
How do you figure that?? With 301WHP, you wouldn't even be able to walk a stock LS1 from a roll. They put down over 300HP at the wheels stock, and with "light mods" as you say, that number would most likely be closer to 325WHP. Not only that, but the LS1 also has significantly more torque to work with as well as a 6-speed manual instead of a 5-speed like your car. The weight difference is minimal to begin with, and even more so from a roll.
Wthey dyno a car, they do it in one gear, and apply corrections as neccesary to deal with the selected ratio. Evos have very aggresive 1st through 5th ratios, which really is not the case with say an M6. Hence they trade to speed for acceleration. 300WHP cars can and do pull stock LS1s depending on gearing. The dyno does not tell all even in roll racing.
Do you have any clue what kind of WHP Evos put down stock?? About 230-240WHP due to approximately 25% AWD drivetrain loss. Thats not even anything close to enough to hang with an LS1, which puts down over 300WHP stock. So unless you have some serious mods, you're aren't "putting any LSX's to shame"
And what is with people saying LS1s put down over 300 stock? Its more like 290 most of the time. Some more, some less. Few over 300 bone stock.
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Well i think your refering to the 98-2000 f-bodys they put up around 290rwhp.......ive personally seen a 2002 camaro dyno at 305, im pretty sure it was bone stock
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No I disagree 100%...290 is a low dyno for an mn6 F body. 300 is about normal. While 295 is normal for the vette..
Ive raced stock Evo's when my vette was stock on the freeway doing 70 mph rolls.. Not even comparable. they were raped like a 17 year old blonde in an Alabama penitentuary....Thats the bottom line.
The Evo is just as fast as the LS1 in the 1/4 mile ET wise.. But look at the trapp speeds..99-103 for the EVO.....104-108 for the LS1 F body...Yea I know there have been some stock Evo's that ran faster than 103 ( especially the new EVO 8) but there have been Fbodys faster than 108 as well..
You can be driving at a 20 or 30 or 60 or 80..what ever mph you want in the LS1 and when you go WOT it will pull like a car that can trapp 108 mph is suppossed to pull. Pretty hard. You see the power of the LS1 is very balanced all through out the 1/4 mile. There's never a point were the car is really fast and then starts slowing down or the car is really slow and then starts speeding up.
It is fast from the beginning of the1/4 mile till the end. So you can push the pedal down at any time and any mph and your head will be pushed back into the seat. EVEN AT 70 MPH BONE STOCK!!!!!!
The EVO will not pull like a car that trapps 103 mph at all times. The reason that the Evo can even hit 103 mph is because of it's impressive 60 ft AWD launch..Evo's have hit 0-60 mph in the 4.4 range time and time again in various magazines.
But it's power is not balanced like the LS1 wich pulls fast in all aspects of the 1/4 mile. The EVO pulls HARD till 60 mph and then falls on it's face in a HUGE way. But since it got to 60 mph a good 1/2 second quicker than the Fbody it can now pretty much coast along with only 230 rwhp motivating it and still trapp 103 mph.
But if you eliminate the awd launch and push the pedal down at 20 or 30 or 60 or 70 mph...The EVO will not acellerate like a car that trapps 103 mph. It will acellerate JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 230 RWHP CAR THAT WEIGHS 3300 POUNDS...SLOW TO AN LS1..ABOUT THE SAME AS A 350Z ( WICH ARE KNOWN TO PULL EVO'S ON ROLL RACES 1/2 THE TIME STOCK FOR STOCK) You need that AWD launch to sling shot you to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Without the launch your car will acellerate just like a 14 second 350Z if you go wot at 20 or 40 or 70 mph. This is why many LS1 owners ( including my self) dont respect the EVO or STI in stock form.
WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT A LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT WILL ACELERATE LIKE A LOW 14 SECOND CAR WHEN YOUR ON THE STREET AND PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL....
ISNT A LS1 LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT ACTS LIKE A LOW 13 SECOND CAR WHEN YOU PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL BETTER?????
HERES SOME NUMBERS TO PROVE MY POINT FROM MOTOR TREND DEC 2005
2005 GTO VRS 2006 EVO IX
0-30 1.8 1.5
0-20 2.6 2.3
0-50 3.7 3.3
0-60 4.7 4.5
0-70 6.2 6.1
0-80 7.8 7.8
0-90 9.6 10.0
0-100 11.7 12.4
PASSING 45-65 2.4 2.5
1/4 MILE 13.3 AT 105.9 13.3 AT 103.4
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE evo IS CLEARLY THE FASTER TILL 80 MPH WERE THEY BOTH REACH 80 MPH IN 7.8 SECONDS.
After 80 mph the GTO's superior power takes over and from only 80-100 mph the gto gets to the century mark 7 tenths faster...7 tenths. that a solid 5-7 lengths on a 80-100 mph roll race stock for stock. This is why many of us dont respect the EVO.
But what is even more interesting is the passing of 45-65 times. If you look at the charts above you can CLEARLY see that the STI got to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. A solid 2 tenths faster than the GTO..
The Evo also beat the GTO to 70 mph by 1 tenth.. 6.1 vrs 6.2 for the GTO. So the EVO is clearly faster than the GTO till 80 mph right were they become equal reaching 80 mph in 7.8 seconds and then the GTO takes over right..
wrong
If the STI was really faster from 40 - 70 mph like the above chart indicates then why did the GTO only take 2.4 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test vrs the STI's 2.5 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test..
SIMPLE
When they did the 45-65 passing test they did it going from a roll of 45 mph and then going WOT from 45 mph and timing how long it took to reack 65 mph. There was no 60 fts or launching in this passing test. Only a roll start timed EVENT..
And it CLEARLY shows that if a stock GTO and stock EVO were to start a roll race from 45 mph the GTO would put a car on the EVO before they even hit 65 mph..And the result of a mass murder for the EVO would be the same way it always is when a stock LS1 races a stock EVO..
only this time we have actual numbers from Motor Trend to show how it really happens.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.
Ive raced stock Evo's when my vette was stock on the freeway doing 70 mph rolls.. Not even comparable. they were raped like a 17 year old blonde in an Alabama penitentuary....Thats the bottom line.
The Evo is just as fast as the LS1 in the 1/4 mile ET wise.. But look at the trapp speeds..99-103 for the EVO.....104-108 for the LS1 F body...Yea I know there have been some stock Evo's that ran faster than 103 ( especially the new EVO 8) but there have been Fbodys faster than 108 as well..
You can be driving at a 20 or 30 or 60 or 80..what ever mph you want in the LS1 and when you go WOT it will pull like a car that can trapp 108 mph is suppossed to pull. Pretty hard. You see the power of the LS1 is very balanced all through out the 1/4 mile. There's never a point were the car is really fast and then starts slowing down or the car is really slow and then starts speeding up.
It is fast from the beginning of the1/4 mile till the end. So you can push the pedal down at any time and any mph and your head will be pushed back into the seat. EVEN AT 70 MPH BONE STOCK!!!!!!
The EVO will not pull like a car that trapps 103 mph at all times. The reason that the Evo can even hit 103 mph is because of it's impressive 60 ft AWD launch..Evo's have hit 0-60 mph in the 4.4 range time and time again in various magazines.
But it's power is not balanced like the LS1 wich pulls fast in all aspects of the 1/4 mile. The EVO pulls HARD till 60 mph and then falls on it's face in a HUGE way. But since it got to 60 mph a good 1/2 second quicker than the Fbody it can now pretty much coast along with only 230 rwhp motivating it and still trapp 103 mph.
But if you eliminate the awd launch and push the pedal down at 20 or 30 or 60 or 70 mph...The EVO will not acellerate like a car that trapps 103 mph. It will acellerate JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 230 RWHP CAR THAT WEIGHS 3300 POUNDS...SLOW TO AN LS1..ABOUT THE SAME AS A 350Z ( WICH ARE KNOWN TO PULL EVO'S ON ROLL RACES 1/2 THE TIME STOCK FOR STOCK) You need that AWD launch to sling shot you to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Without the launch your car will acellerate just like a 14 second 350Z if you go wot at 20 or 40 or 70 mph. This is why many LS1 owners ( including my self) dont respect the EVO or STI in stock form.
WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT A LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT WILL ACELERATE LIKE A LOW 14 SECOND CAR WHEN YOUR ON THE STREET AND PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL....
ISNT A LS1 LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT ACTS LIKE A LOW 13 SECOND CAR WHEN YOU PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL BETTER?????
HERES SOME NUMBERS TO PROVE MY POINT FROM MOTOR TREND DEC 2005
2005 GTO VRS 2006 EVO IX
0-30 1.8 1.5
0-20 2.6 2.3
0-50 3.7 3.3
0-60 4.7 4.5
0-70 6.2 6.1
0-80 7.8 7.8
0-90 9.6 10.0
0-100 11.7 12.4
PASSING 45-65 2.4 2.5
1/4 MILE 13.3 AT 105.9 13.3 AT 103.4
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE evo IS CLEARLY THE FASTER TILL 80 MPH WERE THEY BOTH REACH 80 MPH IN 7.8 SECONDS.
After 80 mph the GTO's superior power takes over and from only 80-100 mph the gto gets to the century mark 7 tenths faster...7 tenths. that a solid 5-7 lengths on a 80-100 mph roll race stock for stock. This is why many of us dont respect the EVO.
But what is even more interesting is the passing of 45-65 times. If you look at the charts above you can CLEARLY see that the STI got to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. A solid 2 tenths faster than the GTO..
The Evo also beat the GTO to 70 mph by 1 tenth.. 6.1 vrs 6.2 for the GTO. So the EVO is clearly faster than the GTO till 80 mph right were they become equal reaching 80 mph in 7.8 seconds and then the GTO takes over right..
wrong
If the STI was really faster from 40 - 70 mph like the above chart indicates then why did the GTO only take 2.4 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test vrs the STI's 2.5 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test..
SIMPLE
When they did the 45-65 passing test they did it going from a roll of 45 mph and then going WOT from 45 mph and timing how long it took to reack 65 mph. There was no 60 fts or launching in this passing test. Only a roll start timed EVENT..
And it CLEARLY shows that if a stock GTO and stock EVO were to start a roll race from 45 mph the GTO would put a car on the EVO before they even hit 65 mph..And the result of a mass murder for the EVO would be the same way it always is when a stock LS1 races a stock EVO..
only this time we have actual numbers from Motor Trend to show how it really happens.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.
03-10-2006, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
No I disagree 100%...290 is a low dyno for an mn6 F body. 300 is about normal. While 295 is normal for the vette..
Ive raced stock Evo's when my vette was stock on the freeway doing 70 mph rolls.. Not even comparable. they were raped like a 17 year old blonde in an Alabama penitentuary....Thats the bottom line.
The Evo is just as fast as the LS1 in the 1/4 mile ET wise.. But look at the trapp speeds..99-103 for the EVO.....104-108 for the LS1 F body...Yea I know there have been some stock Evo's that ran faster than 103 ( especially the new EVO 8) but there have been Fbodys faster than 108 as well..
You can be driving at a 20 or 30 or 60 or 80..what ever mph you want in the LS1 and when you go WOT it will pull like a car that can trapp 108 mph is suppossed to pull. Pretty hard. You see the power of the LS1 is very balanced all through out the 1/4 mile. There's never a point were the car is really fast and then starts slowing down or the car is really slow and then starts speeding up.
It is fast from the beginning of the1/4 mile till the end. So you can push the pedal down at any time and any mph and your head will be pushed back into the seat. EVEN AT 70 MPH BONE STOCK!!!!!!
The EVO will not pull like a car that trapps 103 mph at all times. The reason that the Evo can even hit 103 mph is because of it's impressive 60 ft AWD launch..Evo's have hit 0-60 mph in the 4.4 range time and time again in various magazines.
But it's power is not balanced like the LS1 wich pulls fast in all aspects of the 1/4 mile. The EVO pulls HARD till 60 mph and then falls on it's face in a HUGE way. But since it got to 60 mph a good 1/2 second quicker than the Fbody it can now pretty much coast along with only 230 rwhp motivating it and still trapp 103 mph.
But if you eliminate the awd launch and push the pedal down at 20 or 30 or 60 or 70 mph...The EVO will not acellerate like a car that trapps 103 mph. It will acellerate JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 230 RWHP CAR THAT WEIGHS 3300 POUNDS...SLOW TO AN LS1..ABOUT THE SAME AS A 350Z ( WICH ARE KNOWN TO PULL EVO'S ON ROLL RACES 1/2 THE TIME STOCK FOR STOCK) You need that AWD launch to sling shot you to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Without the launch your car will acellerate just like a 14 second 350Z if you go wot at 20 or 40 or 70 mph. This is why many LS1 owners ( including my self) dont respect the EVO or STI in stock form.
WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT A LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT WILL ACELERATE LIKE A LOW 14 SECOND CAR WHEN YOUR ON THE STREET AND PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL....
ISNT A LS1 LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT ACTS LIKE A LOW 13 SECOND CAR WHEN YOU PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL BETTER?????
HERES SOME NUMBERS TO PROVE MY POINT FROM MOTOR TREND DEC 2005
2005 GTO VRS 2006 EVO IX
0-30 1.8 1.5
0-20 2.6 2.3
0-50 3.7 3.3
0-60 4.7 4.5
0-70 6.2 6.1
0-80 7.8 7.8
0-90 9.6 10.0
0-100 11.7 12.4
PASSING 45-65 2.4 2.5
1/4 MILE 13.3 AT 105.9 13.3 AT 103.4
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE evo IS CLEARLY THE FASTER TILL 80 MPH WERE THEY BOTH REACH 80 MPH IN 7.8 SECONDS.
After 80 mph the GTO's superior power takes over and from only 80-100 mph the gto gets to the century mark 7 tenths faster...7 tenths. that a solid 5-7 lengths on a 80-100 mph roll race stock for stock. This is why many of us dont respect the EVO.
But what is even more interesting is the passing of 45-65 times. If you look at the charts above you can CLEARLY see that the STI got to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. A solid 2 tenths faster than the GTO..
The Evo also beat the GTO to 70 mph by 1 tenth.. 6.1 vrs 6.2 for the GTO. So the EVO is clearly faster than the GTO till 80 mph right were they become equal reaching 80 mph in 7.8 seconds and then the GTO takes over right..
wrong
If the STI was really faster from 40 - 70 mph like the above chart indicates then why did the GTO only take 2.4 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test vrs the STI's 2.5 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test..
SIMPLE
When they did the 45-65 passing test they did it going from a roll of 45 mph and then going WOT from 45 mph and timing how long it took to reack 65 mph. There was no 60 fts or launching in this passing test. Only a roll start timed EVENT..
And it CLEARLY shows that if a stock GTO and stock EVO were to start a roll race from 45 mph the GTO would put a car on the EVO before they even hit 65 mph..And the result of a mass murder for the EVO would be the same way it always is when a stock LS1 races a stock EVO..
only this time we have actual numbers from Motor Trend to show how it really happens.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.
Ive raced stock Evo's when my vette was stock on the freeway doing 70 mph rolls.. Not even comparable. they were raped like a 17 year old blonde in an Alabama penitentuary....Thats the bottom line.
The Evo is just as fast as the LS1 in the 1/4 mile ET wise.. But look at the trapp speeds..99-103 for the EVO.....104-108 for the LS1 F body...Yea I know there have been some stock Evo's that ran faster than 103 ( especially the new EVO 8) but there have been Fbodys faster than 108 as well..
You can be driving at a 20 or 30 or 60 or 80..what ever mph you want in the LS1 and when you go WOT it will pull like a car that can trapp 108 mph is suppossed to pull. Pretty hard. You see the power of the LS1 is very balanced all through out the 1/4 mile. There's never a point were the car is really fast and then starts slowing down or the car is really slow and then starts speeding up.
It is fast from the beginning of the1/4 mile till the end. So you can push the pedal down at any time and any mph and your head will be pushed back into the seat. EVEN AT 70 MPH BONE STOCK!!!!!!
The EVO will not pull like a car that trapps 103 mph at all times. The reason that the Evo can even hit 103 mph is because of it's impressive 60 ft AWD launch..Evo's have hit 0-60 mph in the 4.4 range time and time again in various magazines.
But it's power is not balanced like the LS1 wich pulls fast in all aspects of the 1/4 mile. The EVO pulls HARD till 60 mph and then falls on it's face in a HUGE way. But since it got to 60 mph a good 1/2 second quicker than the Fbody it can now pretty much coast along with only 230 rwhp motivating it and still trapp 103 mph.
But if you eliminate the awd launch and push the pedal down at 20 or 30 or 60 or 70 mph...The EVO will not acellerate like a car that trapps 103 mph. It will acellerate JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 230 RWHP CAR THAT WEIGHS 3300 POUNDS...SLOW TO AN LS1..ABOUT THE SAME AS A 350Z ( WICH ARE KNOWN TO PULL EVO'S ON ROLL RACES 1/2 THE TIME STOCK FOR STOCK) You need that AWD launch to sling shot you to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds. Without the launch your car will acellerate just like a 14 second 350Z if you go wot at 20 or 40 or 70 mph. This is why many LS1 owners ( including my self) dont respect the EVO or STI in stock form.
WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT A LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT WILL ACELERATE LIKE A LOW 14 SECOND CAR WHEN YOUR ON THE STREET AND PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL....
ISNT A LS1 LOW 13 SECOND STRIP CAR THAT ACTS LIKE A LOW 13 SECOND CAR WHEN YOU PUNCH IT FROM A ROLL BETTER?????
HERES SOME NUMBERS TO PROVE MY POINT FROM MOTOR TREND DEC 2005
2005 GTO VRS 2006 EVO IX
0-30 1.8 1.5
0-20 2.6 2.3
0-50 3.7 3.3
0-60 4.7 4.5
0-70 6.2 6.1
0-80 7.8 7.8
0-90 9.6 10.0
0-100 11.7 12.4
PASSING 45-65 2.4 2.5
1/4 MILE 13.3 AT 105.9 13.3 AT 103.4
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE evo IS CLEARLY THE FASTER TILL 80 MPH WERE THEY BOTH REACH 80 MPH IN 7.8 SECONDS.
After 80 mph the GTO's superior power takes over and from only 80-100 mph the gto gets to the century mark 7 tenths faster...7 tenths. that a solid 5-7 lengths on a 80-100 mph roll race stock for stock. This is why many of us dont respect the EVO.
But what is even more interesting is the passing of 45-65 times. If you look at the charts above you can CLEARLY see that the STI got to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. A solid 2 tenths faster than the GTO..
The Evo also beat the GTO to 70 mph by 1 tenth.. 6.1 vrs 6.2 for the GTO. So the EVO is clearly faster than the GTO till 80 mph right were they become equal reaching 80 mph in 7.8 seconds and then the GTO takes over right..
wrong
If the STI was really faster from 40 - 70 mph like the above chart indicates then why did the GTO only take 2.4 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test vrs the STI's 2.5 seconds to get from 45-65 mph in the passing test..
SIMPLE
When they did the 45-65 passing test they did it going from a roll of 45 mph and then going WOT from 45 mph and timing how long it took to reack 65 mph. There was no 60 fts or launching in this passing test. Only a roll start timed EVENT..
And it CLEARLY shows that if a stock GTO and stock EVO were to start a roll race from 45 mph the GTO would put a car on the EVO before they even hit 65 mph..And the result of a mass murder for the EVO would be the same way it always is when a stock LS1 races a stock EVO..
only this time we have actual numbers from Motor Trend to show how it really happens.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.
Step away from the computer and take some heart medication, EVOs,STIs,GTOs,FBODYs,Vettes,Cobras are all fast enough said:!!!!
03-10-2006, 12:15 AM
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On who ever was talking about just because its AWD means it fast is wrong, anyways take away the EVOs AWD and it will topend harder if it was FWD if you really want to get into a mindless debat about somthing.
03-10-2006, 04:14 AM
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Lol, well I guess if your gonna compare roll racing I could say the Evo stuill has 4 less cylinders 
But seriously, and this is beating a dead horse. If the Evo has just the basic mods on it the LS1 will NOT pull away from a roll. Im sure some of you know this but for those that dont, the boost on an Evo spikes to 19-20 psi at full throttle then drops back down pretty quick to 15-16 psi, which is why you have the initial pull, then it "feels" like its not pulling anymore, it has nothing to do with it being AWD. Thats why they lose their steam up top (very simple fix...a $50 mbc will do the trick)
When Evo's first came out I remember people saying that over 100mph they wre pretty much dead, I was like wtf, I dont want to buy a car that will hit 100 mph then have a Civic blow by me. Seriously people that think that of Evo's/STi's havent met a properly driven/modded one. Ive had my Evo up to 165mph at 6800 rpm, still had 1200 rpm to go and the car was still pulling, so if thats slow, then I guess so are about 95% of cars on the road
But seriously, and this is beating a dead horse. If the Evo has just the basic mods on it the LS1 will NOT pull away from a roll. Im sure some of you know this but for those that dont, the boost on an Evo spikes to 19-20 psi at full throttle then drops back down pretty quick to 15-16 psi, which is why you have the initial pull, then it "feels" like its not pulling anymore, it has nothing to do with it being AWD. Thats why they lose their steam up top (very simple fix...a $50 mbc will do the trick)When Evo's first came out I remember people saying that over 100mph they wre pretty much dead, I was like wtf, I dont want to buy a car that will hit 100 mph then have a Civic blow by me. Seriously people that think that of Evo's/STi's havent met a properly driven/modded one. Ive had my Evo up to 165mph at 6800 rpm, still had 1200 rpm to go and the car was still pulling, so if thats slow, then I guess so are about 95% of cars on the road
03-10-2006, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Quik Z06
Lol, well I guess if your gonna compare roll racing I could say the Evo stuill has 4 less cylinders But seriously, and this is beating a dead horse. If the Evo has just the basic mods on it the LS1 will NOT pull away from a roll. Im sure some of you know this but for those that dont, the boost on an Evo spikes to 19-20 psi at full throttle then drops back down pretty quick to 15-16 psi, which is why you have the initial pull, then it "feels" like its not pulling anymore, it has nothing to do with it being AWD. Thats why they lose their steam up top (very simple fix...a $50 mbc will do the trick)
When Evo's first came out I remember people saying that over 100mph they wre pretty much dead, I was like wtf, I dont want to buy a car that will hit 100 mph then have a Civic blow by me. Seriously people that think that of Evo's/STi's havent met a properly driven/modded one. Ive had my Evo up to 165mph at 6800 rpm, still had 1200 rpm to go and the car was still pulling, so if thats slow, then I guess so are about 95% of cars on the road
But seriously, and this is beating a dead horse. If the Evo has just the basic mods on it the LS1 will NOT pull away from a roll. Im sure some of you know this but for those that dont, the boost on an Evo spikes to 19-20 psi at full throttle then drops back down pretty quick to 15-16 psi, which is why you have the initial pull, then it "feels" like its not pulling anymore, it has nothing to do with it being AWD. Thats why they lose their steam up top (very simple fix...a $50 mbc will do the trick)When Evo's first came out I remember people saying that over 100mph they wre pretty much dead, I was like wtf, I dont want to buy a car that will hit 100 mph then have a Civic blow by me. Seriously people that think that of Evo's/STi's havent met a properly driven/modded one. Ive had my Evo up to 165mph at 6800 rpm, still had 1200 rpm to go and the car was still pulling, so if thats slow, then I guess so are about 95% of cars on the road
03-10-2006, 10:10 AM
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...would it be a bit more fair if he ran an American-made 4.3L V6? Something weighing almost 1000# heavier? Also with AWD? While some 4cyl engines are impressive in the technology they possess, I probably wouldn't want to come into the Lion's den and kick it in the *** without having a plan on what to do when THEY show you their teeth!
I've been looking to run an 8 or STi....would love to find one from a dig! On shitty Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires!
And if you want to roll in 2WD, I'll just pull out my front driveshaft....
I've been looking to run an 8 or STi....would love to find one from a dig! On shitty Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires!
And if you want to roll in 2WD, I'll just pull out my front driveshaft....
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03-10-2006, 01:14 PM
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You all this talk about racing from a roll is complete BS. Until the NHRA makes a 1/2 track the EVO and STi are just as quick as an LS1 on the track. Now put them where they were built to run (rally) and it's not even a race. It funny how you bitch when a car that was build for Rally racing is able to keep with you in your own back yard (1/4 mile) and you justify it by saying it's cause it's AWD. Well no ****, you have double the displacement but the EVO and STi aren't using that against you.
There is more to cars then 40mph to 130mph in a straight line.
If you can't respect a car that can run the 1/4 the same as your LS1 yet drive in the snow, rain and rally then you are a peon and not a true car nut.
There is more to cars then 40mph to 130mph in a straight line.
If you can't respect a car that can run the 1/4 the same as your LS1 yet drive in the snow, rain and rally then you are a peon and not a true car nut.
03-10-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Roarin_8
Don't bring up a displacement arguement when you have a forced induction motor with awd. Comparing 2 different classes of cars.
The displacement thing was cause people were harping over the AWD thing.
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
Did I say that?? NOPE, you said that. What I was referring to is the fact that considering the Evo's power, its only as fast as it is becasue its AWD. With 3200lbs and 276HP, its would only run about 14.0 at best if it were FWD. Yet they are almost a full second quicker, due to the AWD launch. Read what I actually wrote before you go and assume things
It's like me saying the only reason a fbody is fast is because it has a motor.
Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
How do you figure that?? With 301WHP, you wouldn't even be able to walk a stock LS1 from a roll. They put down over 300HP at the wheels stock, and with "light mods" as you say, that number would most likely be closer to 325WHP. Not only that, but the LS1 also has significantly more torque to work with as well as a 6-speed manual instead of a 5-speed like your car. The weight difference is minimal to begin with, and even more so from a roll.
'00 ls1 m6 lid/catback from ~ 30 roll
It was one of my friends cars, and we raced for fun.
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only this time we have actual numbers from Motor Trend to show how it really happens.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.[/QUOTE]
Well actually the numbers for an Evo IX could have been better too. There have been numerous cars running 12's stock and dynoing around 260whp with some as high as 270whp. The IX's are very underated and much quicker than the VIII's.
GTO's are equal with Fbodys and C5's in performance. All 3 of these cars are within 1-2 tenths of each other and the better driver/factory feakest car will win the race...
for what it's worth though....103 mph for the EVO in this comparison is a pretty good time..105.9 for the GTO is the slowest 2005 GTO time Ive ever seen...
So the numbers could have EASILY even been worse for the EVO.[/QUOTE]
Well actually the numbers for an Evo IX could have been better too. There have been numerous cars running 12's stock and dynoing around 260whp with some as high as 270whp. The IX's are very underated and much quicker than the VIII's.
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I definitely see the awesome nature of having gut busting power at any time. Thats seriously fun.
But frankly if your going to judge a car based on roll racing, then just stop worrying about suspension, and traction. In fact, stop worrying about the car more or less and just focus on the motor and trans/driveline. Aero is important, but most modern stuff thats fast is quite good really. Weight matters, but not a whole lot at the speeds most roll racers run at.
The Evo accelerates like a 230WHP car from a roll. It makes excellent use of its power from a dig. It goes like stink on the road course. It gets decent mileage. Its priced fairly compared to its competitors. You can drive it all the time. It gains power big time from basic mods, and uses that well too.
Its not so good for roll racing. Disrespect it if you want. I personally dont give a f#@$ about roll racing, except that it's fun to hear about. If your spending about 30K or more to go roll racing, your crazy IMHO. Buying an Evo or Vette to roll race is like buying a NY penthouse suite to store old family photos in. It will do OK, but your paying a hell of a lot for a bunch of things your not using (handling/traction/breaking/fun). Just go get a U-Store-it.
As for the stock power, I was off. 300 looks like the average for the early cars, at least on this site. Then too, it depends on the dyno and conditions. Mustangs tend to read lower. Some of the dynos I have seen at at like 50 degrees, which is great for power.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ght=stock+dyno
In the end it doesnt matter too much since even minor mods make over 300 easy on any year.
But frankly if your going to judge a car based on roll racing, then just stop worrying about suspension, and traction. In fact, stop worrying about the car more or less and just focus on the motor and trans/driveline. Aero is important, but most modern stuff thats fast is quite good really. Weight matters, but not a whole lot at the speeds most roll racers run at.
The Evo accelerates like a 230WHP car from a roll. It makes excellent use of its power from a dig. It goes like stink on the road course. It gets decent mileage. Its priced fairly compared to its competitors. You can drive it all the time. It gains power big time from basic mods, and uses that well too.
Its not so good for roll racing. Disrespect it if you want. I personally dont give a f#@$ about roll racing, except that it's fun to hear about. If your spending about 30K or more to go roll racing, your crazy IMHO. Buying an Evo or Vette to roll race is like buying a NY penthouse suite to store old family photos in. It will do OK, but your paying a hell of a lot for a bunch of things your not using (handling/traction/breaking/fun). Just go get a U-Store-it.
As for the stock power, I was off. 300 looks like the average for the early cars, at least on this site. Then too, it depends on the dyno and conditions. Mustangs tend to read lower. Some of the dynos I have seen at at like 50 degrees, which is great for power.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ght=stock+dyno
In the end it doesnt matter too much since even minor mods make over 300 easy on any year.