BLKWS.6

authoritypoison: Hey geez you scared the **** out of me...my speakers were turned up so the IM sound well like I said before
Nothingnesvortex: Haha
Nothingnesvortex: Just curious what mods you have to be running low 13's
Nothingnesvortex: ??
authoritypoison: where did i say i was running low 13s
Nothingnesvortex: You smoke LS1's....
Nothingnesvortex: on the highway
Nothingnesvortex: so i assumed you either ran low 13's or trapped 103 at the lowest
authoritypoison: from a decent roll
Nothingnesvortex: hrmmm, you been to a track?
authoritypoison: nono not from a start
authoritypoison: not yet will be this summer
Nothingnesvortex: it would take a LOT of mods to do that, what do you have?
Nothingnesvortex: ls1's LOVE roll races
Nothingnesvortex: they have a very peaky powerband
Nothingnesvortex: good tq all the way through though
authoritypoison: I'm not modded at all
Nothingnesvortex: Ummmmm
Nothingnesvortex: you drive a prelude?!?
authoritypoison: yes
authoritypoison: an 00
Nothingnesvortex: stock?
authoritypoison: yes
Nothingnesvortex: Man
Nothingnesvortex: i have played with LS1's
Nothingnesvortex: and i have played with 4th gen teggy;s
Nothingnesvortex: both from a roll
authoritypoison: how much of a roll
Nothingnesvortex: i assume a 4th gen teggy isnt THAT much slower than your 5th gen prelude?
authoritypoison: its a fine line for teh ludes power ban
Nothingnesvortex: the teggy tried to do a flyby at about 65 and without leaving overdrive i managed to halt him and then pull away
Nothingnesvortex: the modded 6-speed GTO i ran was from 65 to 95
Nothingnesvortex: a stock LS1 f-body from a roll is a wicked animal i am about = to them.
Nothingnesvortex: and i dont see a stock 00 prelude being in the ball park with it
Nothingnesvortex: could it have been a v6 that you ran?
authoritypoison: naw it was a z-28
authoritypoison: I know from a stop or even from 40 the camaro would eat my ***
Nothingnesvortex: from any speed they would murder you
authoritypoison: from 60 though I've had a lot of luck
Nothingnesvortex: can you take a 350Z from a roll?
Nothingnesvortex: they arent running you
Nothingnesvortex: i promise you that
authoritypoison: not sure never raced one
Nothingnesvortex: lets put it this way
Nothingnesvortex: an ls1 from 60 is about = to me
Nothingnesvortex: from 70 to 90 i have put over 2 and a half cars on a 350Z giving him the hit, twice in a row
Nothingnesvortex: there is no way your car with 170 whp and 3,000# is going to beat a car with 300rwhp and 3500#
authoritypoison: what do you drive again?
Nothingnesvortex: 1988 mustang gt with a ton of mods
Nothingnesvortex: like preludes and thought your site had a nice layout
authoritypoison: ahh
Nothingnesvortex: but as much as i like the 5th gens, there is no way they will take a ls1 from a roll
authoritypoison: well I'm sure it depends on teh driver
authoritypoison: what all do you have on your Stang?
authoritypoison: I had a 94 camaro before the lude and could hang with stock old gen 5.0s but hell put an exhaust on one and they gain a lot of juice
authoritypoison: my camaro was v6
Nothingnesvortex: ya
Nothingnesvortex: driver doesnt matter
Nothingnesvortex: from a roll the LS1 could be in 4th gear and own a 5th gen
Nothingnesvortex: i ran an S2000 in 4th gear at 55 and pulled him
Nothingnesvortex: up to 95 where we let off
authoritypoison: well I'll ahve to race another one
Nothingnesvortex: as to my mods
authoritypoison: was he even racing?
Nothingnesvortex: you will ahve to race a first one to race another :-)
Nothingnesvortex: the S2k?
Nothingnesvortex: yeah
Nothingnesvortex: he pulled up and began asking WTF?!!?
Nothingnesvortex: it was funny
authoritypoison: humh cause they can run with vettes
Nothingnesvortex: no
Nothingnesvortex: no they cant
authoritypoison: you must have a beast
Nothingnesvortex: lol
Nothingnesvortex: i run with vettes and im here to say the S2000 wont do it
authoritypoison: I've seen them do it several times
Nothingnesvortex: they barely edge out 350Z's
Nothingnesvortex: maybe c4 vettes from a roll
Nothingnesvortex: but not a C5 or C6
Nothingnesvortex: the S2000 traps at around 99-101 mph
authoritypoison: well like i've said I've seen it before
Nothingnesvortex: the vettes trap aroun 105-110
Nothingnesvortex: maybe the vette chose the wrong gear or the S2K was heavily modded
Nothingnesvortex: just saying from the one i ran
Nothingnesvortex: i was bogging at 3500 rpm and pulling on him
Nothingnesvortex: oh, here is my mod list: i posted it on the prelude forum when asked to
Nothingnesvortex: http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php? p=874193#post874193
authoritypoison: well just to put in perspective the driver differences. A friend of mine has a 02 SVT cobra
Nothingnesvortex: they didnt make an 02
authoritypoison: well what was teh last year?
authoritypoison: 01?
Nothingnesvortex: 04 was the last year
Nothingnesvortex: they skipped o2
Nothingnesvortex: 04 had about 375 rwhp
authoritypoison: well maybe its an 01 i dunno
Nothingnesvortex: supercharged 4v 4.6L v8
Nothingnesvortex: the 01 was NA and pretty weak, it ran low 14's to high 13's
authoritypoison: yeah but he's such a shitty driver my other friends stock 240 would take him
Nothingnesvortex: hrmmm
Nothingnesvortex: sounds like he drove very poorly
authoritypoison: i know thast an extreme case but still
Nothingnesvortex: i mean
Nothingnesvortex: i have heard of a C5 Z06 running 15.0
Nothingnesvortex: but like yo usaid, its extreme
authoritypoison: uh yeah he's already wrecked three stangs before that
Nothingnesvortex: haha
authoritypoison: yeah
Nothingnesvortex: with a decent driver though, the S2K and vette are not even close
Nothingnesvortex: 2900# and 200 rwhp vs. 3300# and 300rwhp
Nothingnesvortex: its not happening
Nothingnesvortex: with bad drivers, all bets off, anyone can go slow
authoritypoison: stoplight to stoplight the s2000 and vette are almost identical
authoritypoison: 0-60
authoritypoison: what is it like 4.8 seconds?
Nothingnesvortex: maybe with a bad driver in the vette and a hell of a driver in the S2000
Nothingnesvortex: the S2000 i rode in was really slow from a dig
Nothingnesvortex: and we were spinning a tad giving it its all
Nothingnesvortex: it just had no guts
authoritypoison: well just by teh manfacturers numbers
Nothingnesvortex: no
Nothingnesvortex: the S2000 does 0-60 in about 5.5-6.3 seconds, depending on what you do with the clutch and how mad you hook
Nothingnesvortex: the vette is in teh 4's without any drama
authoritypoison: oh ok 5.8 for teh s2000 my mistake
authoritypoison: jsut looked it up
authoritypoison: so do you have a prelude too?
authoritypoison: honestly I'm new to ludes since January
Nothingnesvortex: no
Nothingnesvortex: dont have one
Nothingnesvortex: my cousin had a 3rd gen though
authoritypoison: oh ok

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Nothingnesvortex: i thought about getting a 97'
Nothingnesvortex: but it had too many miles on it
authoritypoison: yeah most do
authoritypoison: i found mine a 2000 with under 70k on it so i jumped at it
Nothingnesvortex: nice
Nothingnesvortex: this one had 170K on it
authoritypoison: whoa
Nothingnesvortex: i had a trans am with 160K on it
Nothingnesvortex: and my trans am was in better shape i thought
Nothingnesvortex: so i kept it
authoritypoison: yeah my 94 camaro was flipping over 190k when i traded it in
Nothingnesvortex: my 95 Trans am was in great shape
Nothingnesvortex: awesome car
Nothingnesvortex: 25 mpg on trips
Nothingnesvortex: 275 hp
Nothingnesvortex: loved it
authoritypoison: yeah I'll always like f-bodies
Nothingnesvortex: ya
Nothingnesvortex: im just saying
Nothingnesvortex: there is no way any stock prelude can tangle with a Z28
Nothingnesvortex: thats like saying it could take a vette
Nothingnesvortex: the vette has the same motor, and transmission
authoritypoison: but a vette is a hell of a lot lighter too
Nothingnesvortex: it also has worse gearing
Nothingnesvortex: from a roll the yare =
Nothingnesvortex: until 120 or so
Nothingnesvortex: a vette is about 200# lighter all in all
authoritypoison: I'm not saying that a prelude will beat a z28 every time from a roll. I'm just saying that I've done it before
Nothingnesvortex: i dont think he was racing
Nothingnesvortex: do you KNOW FOR A FACT that he was?
Nothingnesvortex: did you ask him?
authoritypoison: well when i slowed down he was still gettin it up around the corner...guess he was mad
Nothingnesvortex: hrmmm, im thinking he was not racing you
Nothingnesvortex: there is just no way
Nothingnesvortex: your car traps about 15 mph slower in the 1/4 than his
authoritypoison: well I'm never gonna convince you until you buy a 5th gen lude and try it
Nothingnesvortex: hrmmmm
authoritypoison: numbers don't mean anything
Nothingnesvortex: so you could kill an S2000 really bad then?
Nothingnesvortex: b/c LS1's murder them
Nothingnesvortex: I just dont see a 170 whp car beating a 300whp car
authoritypoison: its all about how teh engine used teh power
Nothingnesvortex: not really
Nothingnesvortex: 300 hp is 300 hp
Nothingnesvortex: 170 is 170
Nothingnesvortex: if anything the LS1 uses it better b/c it doesnt have to wait until "VTEC" to get it
authoritypoison: can a 450 HP powerstroke diesel beat a 240 hp s2000? no
authoritypoison: an s2000 is 700 lbs lighter than a z28 also
Nothingnesvortex: ummm
Nothingnesvortex: a powerstroke has 8,000# to move...
Nothingnesvortex: i dont see the comparison
Nothingnesvortex: where do you get 700#!?
Nothingnesvortex: S2000=2900
Nothingnesvortex: LS1 Z28= 3450
Nothingnesvortex: thats about 500#
Nothingnesvortex: which = 50 rwhp
authoritypoison: the s2000 weighs 2800#s and teh z28 weighs 3500#s
Nothingnesvortex: and the S2000 makes 210 rwhp
Nothingnesvortex: the LS1 makes 300rwhp
Nothingnesvortex: so add 70 even
Nothingnesvortex: and the S2000 is still short
Nothingnesvortex: plus the LS1 makes 3x the tq
Nothingnesvortex: th S2K will not beat the LS1
Nothingnesvortex: S2000 is a 14 second car
authoritypoison: numbers on paper don't matter
Nothingnesvortex: Z28 can be 12s bone stock
Nothingnesvortex: thats drag strip numbers
authoritypoison: no mid 13s
Nothingnesvortex: ummm
Nothingnesvortex: lmao
Nothingnesvortex: with a dead man behind the wheel
Nothingnesvortex: i WATCHED my friends 1998 Z28 AUTOMATIC run 13.3@105 with 100K miles on it BONE STOCK
authoritypoison: yeah mid 13's
Nothingnesvortex: with a 100K mile car...
Nothingnesvortex: and an auto
Nothingnesvortex: with a 6-speed and an 02 (which makes a bit more hp due to the LS6 manifold) even a magazine ran 12's in one
Nothingnesvortex: my other friend ran 12.89 with a lid and cat-back in his 6-speed Z28
Nothingnesvortex: the S2000 is not even in the same ball park
authoritypoison: not from a stop no
Nothingnesvortex: from a roll it does better, yes
Nothingnesvortex: but it definitely isnt gonna pull any LS1 unless the driver is in the wrong gear
Nothingnesvortex: it jsut doesnt have the hp
authoritypoison: numbers don't matter
Nothingnesvortex: lmao
Nothingnesvortex: why not?
Nothingnesvortex: its all about numbers
Nothingnesvortex: unless you have a magic spell which negates a huge hp defecit
authoritypoison: numbers on paper i mean
Nothingnesvortex: ok, numbers at the drag strip
Nothingnesvortex: S2000's trap around 99-101
Nothingnesvortex: ls1's trap 103-108
Nothingnesvortex: trap speed is what indicates how a car will do from a roll
authoritypoison: do you think a lotus elise with 190 horsepower can beat a z28?
Nothingnesvortex: no
Nothingnesvortex: because it cant
Nothingnesvortex: lol
Nothingnesvortex: it can come CLOSE though
Nothingnesvortex: its a drivers race
Nothingnesvortex: because the Elise is LIGHT
Nothingnesvortex: 2400# or so
authoritypoison: 1900lbs actually adn yes it can
authoritypoison: those bitches are fast as ****
authoritypoison: some arab kid here at Virginia Tech has one adn plays with everyone around here
authoritypoison: he's a dousche though lol
Nothingnesvortex: see
Nothingnesvortex: thats CLOSE to what an LS1 can do
Nothingnesvortex: no...they are slower
Nothingnesvortex: they trap lower
Nothingnesvortex: and run mid/high 13's
authoritypoison: 13.1 secs in teh quarter stock
Nothingnesvortex: 13.1?
Nothingnesvortex: at what mph?
Nothingnesvortex: maybe the newer ones are faster
authoritypoison: not sure
Nothingnesvortex: thats = to an LS1 w/a good driver
Nothingnesvortex: run him from a 60 mph roll and you will have something about like an LS1
authoritypoison: did you know the elises have toyota engines in them now?
authoritypoison: damn
Nothingnesvortex: yep
authoritypoison: I'd actually buy one now that they're not british
authoritypoison: Damn its 2 already
Nothingnesvortex: they are fast little cars
authoritypoison: It's been fun arguing with you...LOL!
Nothingnesvortex: about like an LS1 :-)
Nothingnesvortex: haha
Nothingnesvortex: yo ustill havent convinced me your 15.3 second car can hang with a 13 second LS1, from a roll or otherwise :-)
Nothingnesvortex: i think the prelude board will agree with me
authoritypoison: well ask em and see
authoritypoison: just telling you what I've experienced, not trying to change your mind
Nothingnesvortex: they already posted up :-)

GXPPOWER

im speechless

DAKMOR

Sounds like a ricer. But that term has different meanings to different people. He's like an overlypatriotic american saying that what america is doing in all foreign countries is right. Whiel the truth is, it's wrong.

Iron Sights

You spent way too much time talking to that clown.

DemitriHKS

I can't believe that you kept talking to the kid for that long haha.

Cgillies86

iTrader: (1)

Here couple things bugged me. A M6 vette and M6 fbody have the same gearing. The corvette has a taller tire so it pulls to a higher MPH in each gear but not much. And a Corvette M6 is faster than a Fbody M6 Stock for Stock from a roll. Aerodynamics, and 300lbs lighter not 200. 3500-3200= 300lbs

staringback05

iTrader: (8)

an s2000 sucks, unless u put ridiculous amounts of money in it and im not even gonna bring a prelude into an arguement....

Hark_Z

iTrader: (12)

That is a lot to read......

DAKMOR

I think we should honor those who have read it all and not said "stupid f^&(*g idiot"

35 times.

tCTech

iTrader: (2)

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Stanger88... A stock lude will NOT hang with a stock Z28, Cx, or much else toting a LSx. That sounded like alot of ricer **** to me, "number's don't matter" .... Seriously. I understand than most do, that the driver matter's alot, but with a power to wieght ratio difference that the two car's have, it's just too small of a factor. It's like me saying I could hang with a Cx in my tC. Not going to happen, no matter HOW bad the driver is.

Which reminds me, I never updated you guy's on what I found out about that 01-02 mustang. My buddy Dane met up with that guy. He is running a V6, just had one of those fake dual exhausts. He was yelling at me because apparently I kicked some stones up or something; that's why he stopped like he did. He thought I scratched his paint job so he got pissed off. Got his number from my buddy though and called him last night, he's a pretty cool dude. Told me not to worry about it, nothing happened to his car, he was just surpised because the rocks and stuff started hitting his windsheild when he started pulling me in. Told me if I was ever in town and wanted to run from a dig or whatever, give him a call. I'm like, "I'm down. So, did you actually race or what?" He said he punched it but he was trying to get somewhere, not trying to race me. HA... you guy's were right. Stupid me huh?

Z2K_MrJ

That RIcer Played you out Haha. He just keep you going and going.

Camaroz

iTrader: (2)

If I ever get beaten by a stock Prelude, I will torch myself at the scene.

GhettoTy

iTrader: (2)

Poor kid is delusional.