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Old 07-20-2006, 10:37 PM
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my buddies mach 1 dynoed like 285 with catback and intake i believe.
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow Vette
hey will 82, i just came from jacksonville this past weekend. i never knew the racing scene was pretty big over there.

Yep. Wealthy, conservative town. LOTS of fast cars. There are street races every Sat. night that my friend with a Trans Am frequents. Unfortunately I don't fit in well with that crowd. I'm only 24 but I'm viewed as a nerdy out-of-touch geezer, which is actually pretty true now that I think about it, except for the geezer part.

Where is west pembroke pines???
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
I believe cuz anything can happen on the street but that Mach should have beat you pretty easily. My buddys Mach with just a Prochamber and Catback and DR's runs 12.60's at 108 mph and has trapped 109 mph full weight car.
Something here is not right.. My buddy had an 04 Mach with 4.30s, X-pipe, CAI, Tune, and crazy weight reduction and was running those times. He was pulling 1.69s on DRs and is one hell of a driver. I'm not hating on Machs either, they are awesome cars.
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by will82
Where is west pembroke pines???
west of Ft Lauderdale, but im only 20 and they don't think im a geezer
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:31 AM
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oh and my friend told me about a Ford GT up there that has like 1000rwhp. thats pretty sick
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Old 07-21-2006, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wvutransam
Something here is not right.. My buddy had an 04 Mach with 4.30s, X-pipe, CAI, Tune, and crazy weight reduction and was running those times. He was pulling 1.69s on DRs and is one hell of a driver. I'm not hating on Machs either, they are awesome cars.
Nothing wrong there.. I don't think your buddies car is set up right.. I just have full exhaust, rear suspension, 4.10's ET Drags and a little weight reduction, and I run 11.9-12.1's@112-113mph.. Hell when I just had a catted X pipe, catback, 4.10 gears, stock suspension, a Drop in K&N and 17" DR's I ran 12.56@108mph.. Everything else was stock on the car, stock weight too.. A few months later I took the spare tire and tire tools out of the trunk, Put race pipes inplace of the High flow cats, everything else the same, and ran a 12.254@110.85.. My car has a little bit more mods now and is lighter so that is why it runs about 3 tenths faster..
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow Vette
oh and my friend told me about a Ford GT up there that has like 1000rwhp. thats pretty sick
Yeah, guy had it modded to 650rwhp, lost to a turbo C4 'VETTE, said "screw it", ripped of the supercharger and went to turbos.
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Originally Posted by wvutransam
Something here is not right.. My buddy had an 04 Mach with 4.30s, X-pipe, CAI, Tune, and crazy weight reduction and was running those times. He was pulling 1.69s on DRs and is one hell of a driver. I'm not hating on Machs either, they are awesome cars.

With a catted x, Cai, 4.10's, and a generic predator tune I ran a 12.6 @ 108 on dr's with a 1.77 60'. Almost full weight. The race sounds about right. Drivers race with a slight advantage to the LS1 IMHO stock for stock.
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Old 07-21-2006, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
I believe cuz anything can happen on the street but that Mach should have beat you pretty easily. My buddys Mach with just a Prochamber and Catback and DR's runs 12.60's at 108 mph and has trapped 109 mph full weight car.
well then ur buddy was misinformed, because u do have gears and they help out a lot
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
Nothing wrong there.. I don't think your buddies car is set up right.. I just have full exhaust, rear suspension, 4.10's ET Drags and a little weight reduction, and I run 11.9-12.1's@112-113mph.. Hell when I just had a catted X pipe, catback, 4.10 gears, stock suspension, a Drop in K&N and 17" DR's I ran 12.56@108mph.. Everything else was stock on the car, stock weight too....
Key thing here being gears.... I highly doubt that a Mach 1 can run 12.6Xs with a goddamn catback and drag radials.
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
...I just have full exhaust, rear suspension, 4.10's ET Drags and a little weight reduction, and I run 11.9-12.1's@112-113mph....
Dan, you have made an 11 second n/a pass?? If so, congrats! You beat me to the 11's n/a!!

A 12.6x 1/4 mile time MIGHT be possible with a great driver in a Mach with exhaust and stock 3.55 gearing and D/R's. Sounds a little far-fetched to me though...
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Old 07-22-2006, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wvutransam
Key thing here being gears.... I highly doubt that a Mach 1 can run 12.6Xs with a goddamn catback and drag radials.
Actually it did had...twice. The car is a 5 speed Mach with a Drop in K&N filter, prochamber midpipe (no catback) and DR's. He has actually ran 12.5's on that setup now. This is very rare however. The car is a freak. I have only mustered a 12.9 @ 106 N/A and my car had gears,CAI,Predator tune and a catback. There is a video of it though and the guy posts over at modularmustangs.com and the org.

My friends Mach has basically the same mods as me and he runs 12.5's @ 109. I honestly think it has alot to do with 1. Driver skill (These 5 speed Machs are a handful to launch correctly) 2. Camshaft Timing.
In a MM&FF I read that Cam timing often varies on 32 valve 4.6's and is not an easy task to do correctly. This is why they say that there are such variances in so many of the Machs and Cobra's from the factory.
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Old 07-22-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wvutransam
Key thing here being gears.... I highly doubt that a Mach 1 can run 12.6Xs with a goddamn catback and drag radials.
Here ya go!
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Old 07-23-2006, 02:10 AM
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When I first bought my Camaro and it was bone stock, I raced a Mach 1 with 4.10's, H pipe and catback, and CAI kit. Both of us on street tires. He would almost hang through 1st gear then I'd pull and pull some more. Yes, he could drive too. When it comes to these great Mach track times,.....that 3650 trans has a way deeper 1st gear than our cars. That combined with a much better (stronger and with 3.55's) 8.8 rear that you're not afraid to launch at high rpms make for good launches. Just my .02. I 'll take an LS1 over a Mach any day.
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Originally Posted by svodave
When I first bought my Camaro and it was bone stock, I raced a Mach 1 with 4.10's, H pipe and catback, and CAI kit. Both of us on street tires. He would almost hang through 1st gear then I'd pull and pull some more. Yes, he could drive too. When it comes to these great Mach track times,.....that 3650 trans has a way deeper 1st gear than our cars. That combined with a much better (stronger and with 3.55's) 8.8 rear that you're not afraid to launch at high rpms make for good launches. Just my .02. I 'll take an LS1 over a Mach any day.
I'll keep this short. I have owned both cars. Both cars are cheaply built. Both cars have strengths. Both cars have weaknesses. Both are fast out of the box. It really comes down to looks and I prefer a Mach. Most people here prefer F-bodies. Regardless, we all should respect american performance because we are being weeded out slowly but surely.
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Correct. I like the strong T56, hate the weak 10 bolt. Mustangs are the opposite. My friend has an '01 GT with just over 100K and he's on his third tranny. (and second plastic intake. ) I like your car though Dan, you Grey03mach1 and Mach1Marauder are true badasses in the Mach 1 community!
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Originally Posted by grey03mach1
I'll keep this short. I have owned both cars. Both cars are cheaply built. Both cars have strengths. Both cars have weaknesses. Both are fast out of the box. It really comes down to looks and I prefer a Mach. Most people here prefer F-bodies. Regardless, we all should respect american performance because we are being weeded out slowly but surely.
Amen to that. I'm just glad there are still american-built muscle cars like a Mach 1 to line up with in the next lane. As much fun as it is to beat the crap out of rice mobiles, only 1 out of 100 will even be a challenge in most cases.
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Some people call BS on my car being as fast as it is with the minimal mods I have. The fact of the matter is that some cars are setup right and has a driver that can get every last .1 outta it. Congrats to the Mach owners that have gotten their cars into this "freak" catagory.

Oh, to the original poster, awesome race!
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probably one of the fastest mach 1's for those mods.

a good buddy of mine has a mach 1 (manual) and with filter/catback he went like 14.1....he said "its not running right". i dont know how but that just goes to show the full spectrum of the cars. not a bad driver either he had a m6 ws6 lid/full exhaust/tune that went 12.6s-12.7s
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Will82- you know a guy named steve in jacksonville with a Grand Prix, his handle on here and everywhere is (onesloGTP)?
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