378 rwhp auto C5 vrs bone stock 05 NSX
08-03-2006, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Name one car besides the vette and elise under 100k, that can out handle, out brake, out slalom and has the exclusiveness as the nsx.
wow thats easy, BMW M3 CSL and SMG M3 and maybe the Nissan 350Z track edition
08-03-2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
Are you guys not hearing what I said??????
My car has 378 rwhp and his stock NSX styed dead even with me..
The only C5 that will stand a chance is a C5Z06 ( from a roll) will kill it in the 1/4 mile..
And honestly I can pull stock C5Z06's at the strip....havent ran one on the freeway so Im not sure.
A coupe or frc or convertable C5..SS..WS6...GTO 04/05 you name it will get pulled hard by a stock 1997 and up NSX.
If I had my bone stock 299 rwhp it would have been very ugly for me...
You have to look at it like this...
A C5 will dyno roughly300 rwhp
A NSX will dyno roughly 270 rwhp
A C5 weighs around 3270 pounds
A NSX weighs around 3120 pounds
So the C5 has 30 more rwhp and the NSX has 150 pounds less weight..
As far as power to weight goes their both nearly identical...
The C5 has a .29 drag rating
The NSX has a .30 drag rating
Is their any coincidence with their power to weight ratio being nearly the same and arodynamics being nearly the same that they both have a top speed of 170 mph????
They are very evenly matched..
So why do I think the NSX will pull basicly any C5 if their so evenlt matched..
C5's have 2.73...3.15 and 3.42 gearing
NSX's have 4.06 gears
Imagine how fast a bone stock manual C5 would be with the only mod being that it had 4.06 gearing????
The manual C5 would easily be 3 tenths faster through the1/4 mile..
Now imagine that the C5 had the NSX's 8000 rpm red line??? Another easy two tenths faster...
So everything from power to weight to arodynamics and top speed is the samefor these cars..
EXCEPT gearing and rpm's wich can really effect a cars performance....
But the NSX dosent have all the advantages in this comparo..It lacks the low end tourque of the C5 and until it's in it's 4600-8000 powerband is quite slow..
But in the race we did there was never a time when he wasnt in his powerband..
If we had raced from a dead stop I would have immediatly put 3-4 cars on him by 70 mph and stayed that way till we shut down at 100 plus mph...
But on a freeway roll they are VERY DANDEOUS
My car has 378 rwhp and his stock NSX styed dead even with me..
The only C5 that will stand a chance is a C5Z06 ( from a roll) will kill it in the 1/4 mile..
And honestly I can pull stock C5Z06's at the strip....havent ran one on the freeway so Im not sure.
A coupe or frc or convertable C5..SS..WS6...GTO 04/05 you name it will get pulled hard by a stock 1997 and up NSX.
If I had my bone stock 299 rwhp it would have been very ugly for me...
You have to look at it like this...
A C5 will dyno roughly300 rwhp
A NSX will dyno roughly 270 rwhp
A C5 weighs around 3270 pounds
A NSX weighs around 3120 pounds
So the C5 has 30 more rwhp and the NSX has 150 pounds less weight..
As far as power to weight goes their both nearly identical...
The C5 has a .29 drag rating
The NSX has a .30 drag rating
Is their any coincidence with their power to weight ratio being nearly the same and arodynamics being nearly the same that they both have a top speed of 170 mph????
They are very evenly matched..
So why do I think the NSX will pull basicly any C5 if their so evenlt matched..
C5's have 2.73...3.15 and 3.42 gearing
NSX's have 4.06 gears
Imagine how fast a bone stock manual C5 would be with the only mod being that it had 4.06 gearing????
The manual C5 would easily be 3 tenths faster through the1/4 mile..
Now imagine that the C5 had the NSX's 8000 rpm red line??? Another easy two tenths faster...
So everything from power to weight to arodynamics and top speed is the samefor these cars..
EXCEPT gearing and rpm's wich can really effect a cars performance....
But the NSX dosent have all the advantages in this comparo..It lacks the low end tourque of the C5 and until it's in it's 4600-8000 powerband is quite slow..
But in the race we did there was never a time when he wasnt in his powerband..
If we had raced from a dead stop I would have immediatly put 3-4 cars on him by 70 mph and stayed that way till we shut down at 100 plus mph...
But on a freeway roll they are VERY DANDEOUS
this is by far the worst writeup i've seen...........
let me simplify this for you 6spd C5 > NSX any year.......
oh yea, and only a set of 4.10s in a 6spd C5 is a guranteed bus length on an NSX and das' wus up!
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08-03-2006, 08:58 PM
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That C5 has over 100 rwhp over NSX. Either that NSX is modded or that C5 doesn't have 370+ rwhp or friggin C5 driver didn't know how to go WOT.
I can't believe this dude so proud of staying even with a car that has 100+ rwhp less.
The NSX having ~100 lbs less weight and shorter gears isn't going to overcome 100+ rwhp deficiency.
I can't believe this dude so proud of staying even with a car that has 100+ rwhp less.
The NSX having ~100 lbs less weight and shorter gears isn't going to overcome 100+ rwhp deficiency.
08-03-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Same year or others, doesnt matter.
08-03-2006, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AOC
That C5 has over 100 rwhp over NSX. Either that NSX is modded or that C5 doesn't have 370+ rwhp or friggin C5 driver didn't know how to go WOT.
I can't believe this dude so proud of staying even with a car that has 100+ rwhp less.
The NSX having ~100 lbs less weight and shorter gears isn't going to overcome 100+ rwhp deficiency.
I can't believe this dude so proud of staying even with a car that has 100+ rwhp less.
The NSX having ~100 lbs less weight and shorter gears isn't going to overcome 100+ rwhp deficiency.
A 370 hp C5 should trap at 117-119mph.... from what i've seen. Thats with a weight of 3200lbs.
Whats THIS C5 weigh? Heavy or what? Maybe the 2.73's kill it that much? I dunno. I'm don't claim to be an "auto"(as in transmissions) man.
08-03-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Whats up man, I saw this thread on the my350z board. Alot of people think that the nsx or slow, but any year nsx is faster than an ls1 especially as the speeds increase.
Stock for stock in my 350z, one of my friends pulled me in his. I dont know, maybe there underrated like many Japanese cars.
I think the nsx-t or something like that, is a mid to low 12 sec car.
Stock for stock in my 350z, one of my friends pulled me in his. I dont know, maybe there underrated like many Japanese cars.
I think the nsx-t or something like that, is a mid to low 12 sec car.
08-03-2006, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
I think he's more surprised then anything.
A 370 hp C5 should trap at 117-119mph.... from what i've seen. Thats with a weight of 3200lbs.
Whats THIS C5 weigh? Heavy or what? Maybe the 2.73's kill it that much? I dunno. I'm don't claim to be an "auto"(as in transmissions) man.
A 370 hp C5 should trap at 117-119mph.... from what i've seen. Thats with a weight of 3200lbs.
Whats THIS C5 weigh? Heavy or what? Maybe the 2.73's kill it that much? I dunno. I'm don't claim to be an "auto"(as in transmissions) man.
I just can't see how 378 rwhp C5 couldn't pull away from 290 bhp (250 - 260 rwhp) NSX, even with 2.73 gears from a 30 mph roll race.
08-03-2006, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AOC
My bone stock Z06 put bus lengths on NSX last year and this is with only 352 rwhp.
I just can't see how 378 rwhp C5 couldn't pull away from 290 bhp (250 - 260 rwhp) NSX, even with 2.73 gears from a 30 mph roll race.
I just can't see how 378 rwhp C5 couldn't pull away from 290 bhp (250 - 260 rwhp) NSX, even with 2.73 gears from a 30 mph roll race.
08-03-2006, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
My car, like yours...doesn't truly start to show it's nature until your @ about 4600rpm as well. ABove that...ha...it's like doctor jeckyl, and mr.hyde.
Time for some more mods my friend.
Time for some more mods my friend.
2.73 vette, do u have a dyno graph of how much power ur car is makin from 3800rpms to 4400rpms?
08-03-2006, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AOC
My bone stock Z06 put bus lengths on NSX last year and this is with only 352 rwhp.
I just can't see how 378 rwhp C5 couldn't pull away from 290 bhp (250 - 260 rwhp) NSX, even with 2.73 gears from a 30 mph roll race.
I just can't see how 378 rwhp C5 couldn't pull away from 290 bhp (250 - 260 rwhp) NSX, even with 2.73 gears from a 30 mph roll race.
Even from a roll... 100rwhp isn't something you just make up for with gearing and call it a day....
The NSX caught you in its sweet spot (at a high rpm) and you got caught in a low RPM... easy to understand...I had it happen several times in my old Z before I got the converter and trans buildup... after that it was pretty hard for me to get caught from a roll and lose any ground unless I was just outpowered.
08-03-2006, 11:57 PM
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hmmm... ima grab some popcorn...
ive seen a blk nsx comin outa my developement maybe if i run into him with the vette we can get some fun runs in. i think id walk all over him.... without the bottle
ive seen a blk nsx comin outa my developement maybe if i run into him with the vette we can get some fun runs in. i think id walk all over him.... without the bottle
08-04-2006, 12:25 AM
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Thats the problem with bench racing, you math it to death....... and then when real life comes along.....BAM!....there you sit, surprised and saddened....wondering what happened. Ron
08-04-2006, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by c5_ls1_6spd
this is by far the worst writeup i've seen...........
let me simplify this for you 6spd C5 > NSX any year.......
oh yea, and only a set of 4.10s in a 6spd C5 is a guranteed bus length on an NSX and das' wus up!
let me simplify this for you 6spd C5 > NSX any year.......
oh yea, and only a set of 4.10s in a 6spd C5 is a guranteed bus length on an NSX and das' wus up!
I am with you on the worst writeup!!
I do not see how he is beating C5 Z06s at the track unless they cannot drive the cars. Which I think is a very reasonable explaination due to the fact they are manuals and his car is an Auto with 2.73 gears. I can state for a fact a NSX was no wear near my Z06 in stock form and stood even less of a chance with tires on the Z.
In his write up he claims a 8000 rpm redline is worth 2 tenths over a 6000 rpm redline before never heard that one before. Redline does not mean anything to track times. It is all about the gearing setup.
08-04-2006, 05:48 AM
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Anyone that goes to Hawaii raceway park could verify that I can drive my car...
The bone stock C5Z06's run 13.0 at my track
The bone stock gen 2 Vipers run 12.6 at my track
Bone stock camaros run 13.5 ( the quickest in our F body club) to 13.8 for the 2.73 auto
STI's and EVO's are lucky to hit 13.7-13.9 at the fastest
My car went 12.80 at my track..
This is in Hawaii weather at a track that goes up hill.....So while my 12.8 might seem slow...In comparison to the 03 Cobras running 13.2-13.4 bone stock as well as the other cars I mentioned it's actaually quite fast....
The bone stock C5Z06's run 13.0 at my track
The bone stock gen 2 Vipers run 12.6 at my track
Bone stock camaros run 13.5 ( the quickest in our F body club) to 13.8 for the 2.73 auto
STI's and EVO's are lucky to hit 13.7-13.9 at the fastest
My car went 12.80 at my track..
This is in Hawaii weather at a track that goes up hill.....So while my 12.8 might seem slow...In comparison to the 03 Cobras running 13.2-13.4 bone stock as well as the other cars I mentioned it's actaually quite fast....
08-04-2006, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JD_Z28
I've seen my buddys vette pull a 1.6 60ft on radials. The nsx dosen't pull till v-tec, so I could see the vette pulling harder in first gear.
I talking street tires, not radials.
08-04-2006, 08:39 AM
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oh for God's sake...
all this sounds like is a case of the 'vette not being in its powerband and the NSX hitting it at 6000 rpm's.
if i mash the gas at 40mph, my 2.73 geared car feels like a damn V6. it DOESN'T MOVE! he was obviously in his sweet spot and you weren't - it's a damn roll race, you can't both be in your sweet spot at the same time! someone is going to have a powerband disadvantage.
race it from a dig and it has no chance in blue hell. NSX's are dogshit slow for the pricetag. an NSX is a ricer's supercar. only honda would make a car that looked like that and stick a V6 in it that has no chance of sounding good and runs with bone stock $25,000 LS1 cars. put it against any other supercar and it's towing a trailer. FWIW, i think the car's ugly, too.
all this sounds like is a case of the 'vette not being in its powerband and the NSX hitting it at 6000 rpm's.
if i mash the gas at 40mph, my 2.73 geared car feels like a damn V6. it DOESN'T MOVE! he was obviously in his sweet spot and you weren't - it's a damn roll race, you can't both be in your sweet spot at the same time! someone is going to have a powerband disadvantage.
race it from a dig and it has no chance in blue hell. NSX's are dogshit slow for the pricetag. an NSX is a ricer's supercar. only honda would make a car that looked like that and stick a V6 in it that has no chance of sounding good and runs with bone stock $25,000 LS1 cars. put it against any other supercar and it's towing a trailer. FWIW, i think the car's ugly, too.
08-04-2006, 09:48 AM
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You think the manual NSX's are overpriced; check out the autos with their awesome 250 HP at the crank. My neighbor has one and my LT1 pulled that thing.
An 01 Z06 outdid an NSX in everything possible in this test:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=155
An 01 Z06 outdid an NSX in everything possible in this test:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=155