Street Racing & Kill Stories Basic Technical Questions & Advice

Are vettes really that fast?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-12-2006, 02:10 AM
  #1  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default Are vettes really that fast?

Well tonight, we had a um airport runway closed down for us and I raced my friends vette. I think its an 01, it has intake, and a catback, and I think it has a tune. For a little background info on my car, I have whats in the sig. Before the dyno tune, ported intake manifold, and 58mm throttle body I ran a 12.4@114 in 80 degree weather. So back to the race. We went from a slow roll, ~30mph, both of us are 6-spds. The first race he was staying right next to me, so in 3rd gear I got pissed and sprayed him. Then we go again, a 2nd time, motor vs motor, 30 roll, and we were DEAD even up to ~135mph, with him inching on me topend. My car doesn't seem down on power, I dunno what gives. Are vettes that much superior to us?

Edit, I have heads/cam/true duals, ect. I put down 375/360 before the ported intake manifold, and ran a 12.4@114 in 80 degree heat before the tune, true duals, and manifold.
Old 08-12-2006, 02:32 AM
  #2  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
Camaro Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If it was a Z06 I could see it as the power was probably close to yours and they are under 3200 lbs I believe. A plain C5 w/ those mods wouldn't be making more than like 320-330 rwhp on the high end, you should have pulled him if that's the case. The standard C5 is only marginably faster than a LS1 Fbody, power is virtually the same so w/ 375rwhp you should have owned him I would think...
Old 08-12-2006, 02:44 AM
  #3  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

It was a C5. How much do they weight?
Old 08-12-2006, 03:28 AM
  #4  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
bigbadblackws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ST. JOSEPH MI
Posts: 341
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

well going from a roll is a lot different then a dig.
Old 08-12-2006, 06:35 AM
  #5  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
Cgillies86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The weight difference for a f-body vs Stock C5 coupe 35XX vs 32XX. The differeence is usually between 200-300lbs. The big advantage for the C5 from a roll is its aerodynamics.
Old 08-12-2006, 07:57 AM
  #6  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (15)
 
Specialized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

And the fact that the original poster has an LT1.

Im not downing on the LT, but I know its not known for its top end.

Also- what gears do you/he have? that may have played a part in it as well.
Old 08-12-2006, 10:39 AM
  #7  
TECH Enthusiast
 
mpe488's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I second Cgillies- the C5 has a very low drag coefficient that's probably the explanation from him pulling away from you top end.

I also have a Vette horror story, I'm not really sure what to make of it- Halltech intake only on a FRC and it whored me from 25 (my best spot.) I took off as strong as always but I can always hook from 25. He spun the tires like crazy at 25 and just kept pulling and pulling. Probably put 1.5 to 2 grey hounds between us by 130.

Thing is the guy is an ***hole. he took the jump at second honk like 3 times that night, and his passenger kept telling everybody that you can never let anyone know what your mods are.

Don't mean to hi-jack thread. So yeah, if the guy wasn't lying I really want a FRC.
Old 08-12-2006, 11:05 AM
  #8  
Teching In
 
arctic00z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Seen a yellow C5 a couple of weeks ago at the track. Mid to high 13s wit 101-104 trap speed! It was a young guy who could not drive(driver mod) and I was pretty dis. So I guess my statement doesnt really mean anything.lol
Old 08-12-2006, 11:36 AM
  #9  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Specialized
And the fact that the original poster has an LT1.

Im not downing on the LT, but I know its not known for its top end.

Also- what gears do you/he have? that may have played a part in it as well.
He has stock 3.42's, I have 3.73's, but I shift at 6500, and we both shut down at the top of fourth and we shut down at the exact same time, so it wasn't gearing.
Old 08-12-2006, 11:42 AM
  #10  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
01ls1lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 1,255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I have a friend with a 99 vette.. he runs 13.6 0_o
Old 08-12-2006, 11:42 AM
  #11  
On The Tree
iTrader: (2)
 
ls1 jeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bartlett IL
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Your trap is pretty good. Id say you should beat an I/E only C5 without problem. Higher speeds the vette should start pulling, but through the quarter you should have taken him no problem with the times you claim. Are you sure his only mods are I/E? Longtubes?

My car is full bolt ons minus a pulley and I ran a best of 12.3@115. My vette weighed in at 3130.
Old 08-12-2006, 12:11 PM
  #12  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
BlackMagicC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The vette is faster because its more aerodynamic, lighter, better weight distribution, ect. All those things add up. A lot of people think because both cars have LS1's, they must be the same in speed. I also laugh at the people who think the vette is an overpriced camaro or trans am.
Old 08-12-2006, 12:44 PM
  #13  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ls1 jeff
Your trap is pretty good. Id say you should beat an I/E only C5 without problem. Higher speeds the vette should start pulling, but through the quarter you should have taken him no problem with the times you claim. Are you sure his only mods are I/E? Longtubes?

My car is full bolt ons minus a pulley and I ran a best of 12.3@115. My vette weighed in at 3130.
We were dead even the whole time, from start to finish, with him BARLEY inching up on me, he mabey made up a foot on the race.
Old 08-12-2006, 12:45 PM
  #14  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BlackMagicC5
The vette is faster because its more aerodynamic, lighter, better weight distribution, ect. All those things add up. A lot of people think because both cars have LS1's, they must be the same in speed. I also laugh at the people who think the vette is an overpriced camaro or trans am.
I know they are faster, I just wasn't expecting the difference to be that much.
Old 08-12-2006, 02:36 PM
  #15  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
93transam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Desert wasteland
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BlackMagicC5
The vette is faster because its more aerodynamic, lighter, better weight distribution, ect. All those things add up. A lot of people think because both cars have LS1's, they must be the same in speed. I also laugh at the people who think the vette is an overpriced camaro or trans am.
Whoever said that retarded *** **** needs to be bitch slapped.
Old 08-12-2006, 02:50 PM
  #16  
TECH Resident
 
jpat1023's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 932
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by BlackMagicC5
The vette is faster because its more aerodynamic, lighter, better weight distribution, ect. All those things add up. A lot of people think because both cars have LS1's, they must be the same in speed. I also laugh at the people who think the vette is an overpriced camaro or trans am.

The vette was faster because the other car was an LT1...had it been an LS1 camaro, the vette gets destroyed.
Old 08-12-2006, 03:05 PM
  #17  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
BeavermanA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: La Puente, CA
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Just google a 2001 Corvette and most sites give an ET of about 13 sec flat stock in the quarter. You say you ran a 12.4 before adding even more mods, so you must be pretty close to 12 flat now. Is that with the spray or not though? If you did that without spray you should've killed the C5, if not the outcome seems quite reasonable.
Old 08-12-2006, 03:35 PM
  #18  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
speed_demon24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BeavermanA
Just google a 2001 Corvette and most sites give an ET of about 13 sec flat stock in the quarter. You say you ran a 12.4 before adding even more mods, so you must be pretty close to 12 flat now. Is that with the spray or not though? If you did that without spray you should've killed the C5, if not the outcome seems quite reasonable.
12.4 before a few mods was off spray, I should be close to 11's all motor, and deep into the 11's on spray.
Old 08-12-2006, 03:57 PM
  #19  
TECH Apprentice
 
chris.shea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kona, Pearl Ridge
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

how bad did you beat him when you sprayed?
Old 08-12-2006, 04:08 PM
  #20  
Launching!
 
Z 2 8's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Well tonight, we had a um airport runway closed down for us and I raced my friends vette. I think its an 01, it has intake, and a catback, and I think it has a tune. For a little background info on my car, I have whats in the sig. Before the dyno tune, ported intake manifold, and 58mm throttle body I ran a 12.4@114 in 80 degree weather. So back to the race. We went from a slow roll, ~30mph, both of us are 6-spds. The first race he was staying right next to me, so in 3rd gear I got pissed and sprayed him. Then we go again, a 2nd time, motor vs motor, 30 roll, and we were DEAD even up to ~135mph, with him inching on me topend. My car doesn't seem down on power, I dunno what gives. Are vettes that much superior to us?

Edit, I have heads/cam/true duals, ect. I put down 375/360 before the ported intake manifold, and ran a 12.4@114 in 80 degree heat before the tune, true duals, and manifold.
Ok, I don't know what everyone is talking about, but this doesn't make any sense. His C5 should run low 13's stock with a good driver. His trap speed shouldn't be any higher than 108. (On a good run) If your trapping 114, you should have murdered this vette from any speed under 100...Aerodynamics won't kick in until about then anyway.

375Rwhp is a lot of power. That vette with his mods probably makes about 320ish...I can't see him trapping much more than 110. 4MPH is a big difference when you race someone. From a low roll (30mph) you should have pulled him pretty hard and kept going. Since both of you let off in 4th, i don't see how the vette could have ever started pulling.

Either something is wrong with your car and it doesn't make 375/360, or that vette has more mods and is putting down at least 350Rwhp. Because that's about how much he would need to pull on you...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:29 AM.