silly s2000
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by TransAminal
Exactly. Ricers act like their cars can hit 700WHP with just a turbo. Too bad you haver to rebuilt the whole motor, and then there's still a good chance its going to blow up.
Its a Honda, they make economy cars, get over yourself riceboy
Its a Honda, they make economy cars, get over yourself riceboy
I do belive Pontiac also makes "economy" cars. Just because Honda can get as much h/p out of a 6cly as Chevy/ Pontiac does out of a 8, you call that "economy"??? I dont see why some people hate on any type of cars. I have a 4cly, do I hate V8s... NO!!! Thats what you like and I really dont care. It is what YOU like not what I like. Do I talk **** about how under powered your stock V8 is??? Do I tell you that you have the same damn motor in you car for that past 30 years??? NO i dont, you know why??? because its what you like and I could give a ****. M
My RL is a 3.5lt SOHC and make 300hp and its a ULEV. You have a 5.7lt V8 that might make that and it does NOT meet LEV let alone ULEV.
Like I said, you like what you like and I like what I like. Now we can get along
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by BAD-GTO
yeah but not on stock internals. 700whp in an s2000 would cost about the price of another brand new s2000 
and 300 whp would be a ticking time bomb for the stock internals well atleast i think it would due to the high compression ratio they come with stock..right?? oh and how much are you putting down in your s2k? must be pretty sick to be running 11's 
and 300 whp would be a ticking time bomb for the stock internals well atleast i think it would due to the high compression ratio they come with stock..right?? oh and how much are you putting down in your s2k? must be pretty sick to be running 11's Oh, I ran a 11.3 @ 127mph on stock 225-55-16 B/S and a leaking exhaust gasket. That was with about 475-500rwhp, if I was lucky. I did pull a 1.9 60ft every time with the stock tires. I was happy. But I do have a 2-step with anti-lag
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
There are alot os s2ks making over 550rwhp on stock blocks. They add a 3mm headgasket to lower the c/r to 9 to 1. Are stock car have forged pistons and rods
Oh, I ran a 11.3 @ 127mph on stock 225-55-16 B/S and a leaking exhaust gasket. That was with about 475-500rwhp, if I was lucky. I did pull a 1.9 60ft every time with the stock tires. I was happy. But I do have a 2-step with anti-lag
Oh, I ran a 11.3 @ 127mph on stock 225-55-16 B/S and a leaking exhaust gasket. That was with about 475-500rwhp, if I was lucky. I did pull a 1.9 60ft every time with the stock tires. I was happy. But I do have a 2-step with anti-lag
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
Do I tell you that you have the same damn motor in you car for that past 30 years??? You have a 5.7lt V8 that might make that and it does NOT meet LEV let alone ULEV.
They are called GEN 3 engines for a reason (GEN 1 = old original Small Block Chevy, GEN 2 = LT1, GEN 3 = LS1/6). Have a GREAT day! 11 Second Club
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by dailydriver
I understand you getting frustrated and blasting domestics when you're ragged on, but before you critique others for not knowing $h!t about your precious imports, get your facts straight about domestics (or at least LS1s). Our cars DO pass LEV standards in stock trim, and LS1s are NOT the "same damn motor for the past 30 years". They are called GEN 3 engines for a reason (GEN 1 = old original Small Block Chevy, GEN 2 = LT1, GEN 3 = LS1/6). Have a GREAT day!
They are called GEN 3 engines for a reason (GEN 1 = old original Small Block Chevy, GEN 2 = LT1, GEN 3 = LS1/6). Have a GREAT day!I didnt know about the LEV, sorry. When I say the 'same" motor I understand that they have a diff head, intake, ing system. I guess what I was trying to say is that they still use 2 valves per cly, One cam, No VVT, low C/R. If Chevy would put the money into there motors like Honda you would have a crazy motor. I for got how many cfm my head flows but I do remember someone saying my 4cly head flows as much as both V8 heads. I really wish Chevy would use some of the Tech that honda and toyota has to make some motors, they would make **** tons of power. Well thay have kinda done it one time that I know of.. The new ZO6. 11 to 1 C/R is kinda the norm on alot of Imports but its a huge deal when it comes to a Dom. having that kind of C/R from the showroom
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
I run at MIR. I havent ran the car for about a year. You can check ou tthe stats on there web site My name is Shaun Robinson
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by 04Terminator
Cool. I run at MIR also from time to time. How about a run with that 700whp s2000 with vid for the site? You should be in the low 10s and high 9s now, right?
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From: Bucks County, Pa.
Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
I didnt know about the LEV, sorry. When I say the 'same" motor I understand that they have a diff head, intake, ing system. I guess what I was trying to say is that they still use 2 valves per cly, One cam, No VVT, low C/R. If Chevy would put the money into there motors like Honda you would have a crazy motor. I for got how many cfm my head flows but I do remember someone saying my 4cly head flows as much as both V8 heads. I really wish Chevy would use some of the Tech that honda and toyota has to make some motors, they would make **** tons of power. Well thay have done it one time that I know of.. The new ZO6. 11 to 1 C/R is kinda the norm on alot of Imports but its a huge deal when it comes to a Dom. having that kind of C/R from the showroom
Let's not get into the tech $h!t, or this will turn into a 20 page f*** fest with the importees (and others) giving
page long dissertations on the benefits/superiority of multi-valves and great hp/liter over larger displacement 2vpc/OHV powerplants. 
Let's just say that GM (and other domestics) found a way to do performance without all the standard Nippon technophile bells and whistles.
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by dailydriver
Not just a "different head/intake/etc.". The design is newer/stronger and it's ALL ALLOY. There are still some of your precious import motors with iron blocks, so I guess I can call them "low tech" (despite their twin cams/4 vpc/VTECHIE/VVTI,etc.) huh?!?!
Let's not get into the tech $h!t, or this will turn into a 20 page f*** fest with the importees (and others) giving page long dissertations on the benefits/superiority of multi-valves and great hp/liter over larger displacement 2vpc/OHV powerplants.
Let's just say that GM (and other domestics) found a way to do performance without all the standard Nippon technophile bells and whistles.
Let's not get into the tech $h!t, or this will turn into a 20 page f*** fest with the importees (and others) giving
page long dissertations on the benefits/superiority of multi-valves and great hp/liter over larger displacement 2vpc/OHV powerplants. Let's just say that GM (and other domestics) found a way to do performance without all the standard Nippon technophile bells and whistles.
As you can see, i would NEVER bring up the H/p per Liter ****, thats like shooting a dead horse
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
Im down!!! Do you know where Colonial Beach Race way is??? My car is next door to there as we type, Brauning Motor Sports. Im getting a new motor, Aries piston, Darton sleeves, and Corillo rods. ARP everything and a 10 point cage. It will be done in a month or so. I will pm you my # Where are you from
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by 04Terminator
I currently live in Central Va, but I'm originally from the Manassas area. I used to frequent MIR and the 1/8th mile track at Old Dominion off 234. I know where Colonial Beach is, but I don't race there. Let me know when you get your car together. Maybe we can do a friendly grudge match when the track re-opens.
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
I didnt know about the LEV, sorry. When I say the 'same" motor I understand that they have a diff head, intake, ing system. I guess what I was trying to say is that they still use 2 valves per cly, One cam, No VVT, low C/R. If Chevy would put the money into there motors like Honda you would have a crazy motor. I for got how many cfm my head flows but I do remember someone saying my 4cly head flows as much as both V8 heads. I really wish Chevy would use some of the Tech that honda and toyota has to make some motors, they would make **** tons of power. Well thay have kinda done it one time that I know of.. The new ZO6. 11 to 1 C/R is kinda the norm on alot of Imports but its a huge deal when it comes to a Dom. having that kind of C/R from the showroom
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Who are you talking too??? I hope not me. My car makes damn near 700rwhp and yes, I have ALOT of $$$ in the car, about 3 of your cars. Your calling me rice when you are the one talking out of your ***, kinda like a ricer.
I do belive Pontiac also makes "economy" cars. Just because Honda can get as much h/p out of a 6cly as Chevy/ Pontiac does out of a 8, you call that "economy"??? I dont see why some people hate on any type of cars. I have a 4cly, do I hate V8s... NO!!! Thats what you like and I really dont care. It is what YOU like not what I like. Do I talk **** about how under powered your stock V8 is??? Do I tell you that you have the same damn motor in you car for that past 30 years??? NO i dont, you know why??? because its what you like and I could give a ****.
How is my stock V8 "underpowered"?? Are you serious?? You stupid ricer, you come on LS1Tech and start calling out the LS1 as "underpowered" when you drive a no torque, buzzy 4 cylinder. Get real, my engine would turn your piece of **** motor backwards.
The GM Smallblock also hasn't been the "same motor for 30 years" you ignorant moron. The LS1 is Generation III, meaning its a totally different motor. Everything from the block to the firing order is different, get a clue before you talk ****.
My RL is a 3.5lt SOHC and make 300hp and its a ULEV. You have a 5.7lt V8 that might make that and it does NOT meet LEV let alone ULEV.
Like I said, you like what you like and I like what I like. Now we can get along
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Cant wait for the vids!
And while were on the subject of RD into motors, two facts stand out:
1)(And this is what got me interested in these motors initially) The LS6 is one a small number of NA powerplants making about 1HP per pound engine in bone stock form.
2)GM spent many hundreds of millions on the LSX architecture, Ive heard as much as a bilion in the various programs for trucks, cars, etc.
In the end there a whole lot of different ways to go fast and frankly that's a good thing. Think about what the most interesting races on here are. Cobras, AWD turbo buggies, and other LSXs. It would suck if everything was the same.
And while were on the subject of RD into motors, two facts stand out:
1)(And this is what got me interested in these motors initially) The LS6 is one a small number of NA powerplants making about 1HP per pound engine in bone stock form.
2)GM spent many hundreds of millions on the LSX architecture, Ive heard as much as a bilion in the various programs for trucks, cars, etc.
In the end there a whole lot of different ways to go fast and frankly that's a good thing. Think about what the most interesting races on here are. Cobras, AWD turbo buggies, and other LSXs. It would suck if everything was the same.
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Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
I didnt know about the LEV, sorry. When I say the 'same" motor I understand that they have a diff head, intake, ing system. I guess what I was trying to say is that they still use 2 valves per cly, One cam, No VVT, low C/R. If Chevy would put the money into there motors like Honda you would have a crazy motor. I for got how many cfm my head flows but I do remember someone saying my 4cly head flows as much as both V8 heads. I really wish Chevy would use some of the Tech that honda and toyota has to make some motors, they would make **** tons of power. Well thay have kinda done it one time that I know of.. The new ZO6. 11 to 1 C/R is kinda the norm on alot of Imports but its a huge deal when it comes to a Dom. having that kind of C/R from the showroom
Do us all a favor and refrain from posting, its making everyone dumber.
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by TransAminal
You're goddamn right I'm talking to you riceboy. I don't give a **** if your car makes "close to 700WHP", its still a shitty 4 cylinder and it sounds like ***. Not to mention it has about the worst powerband of any vehicle on the road. Congratulations on wasting all your time and money trying to make your shitty ricer fast. I'd rather have 3 of my cars than 1 of your pieces of **** anyday.
Honda makes economy cars. In the history of the company, they've made a total of about 2 "sports" cars. The NSX and the S2000. Both of them are overpriced riceburners, neither makes over 290HP, and both sound like garbage. Thats why I say they make economy cars.
How is my stock V8 "underpowered"?? Are you serious?? You stupid ricer, you come on LS1Tech and start calling out the LS1 as "underpowered" when you drive a no torque, buzzy 4 cylinder. Get real, my engine would turn your piece of **** motor backwards.
The GM Smallblock also hasn't been the "same motor for 30 years" you ignorant moron. The LS1 is Generation III, meaning its a totally different motor. Everything from the block to the firing order is different, get a clue before you talk ****.
Once again, congrats, your RL is a FWD based commuter car. Our engines are LEV also, so stop talking about thing you don't have a clue about.
No, now you can leave and go back to your ricer forums. Here you are, calling out the LS1 and calling it "underpowered" on LS1Tech.com. You can't be serious, just leave now.
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Honda makes economy cars. In the history of the company, they've made a total of about 2 "sports" cars. The NSX and the S2000. Both of them are overpriced riceburners, neither makes over 290HP, and both sound like garbage. Thats why I say they make economy cars.
How is my stock V8 "underpowered"?? Are you serious?? You stupid ricer, you come on LS1Tech and start calling out the LS1 as "underpowered" when you drive a no torque, buzzy 4 cylinder. Get real, my engine would turn your piece of **** motor backwards.
The GM Smallblock also hasn't been the "same motor for 30 years" you ignorant moron. The LS1 is Generation III, meaning its a totally different motor. Everything from the block to the firing order is different, get a clue before you talk ****.
Once again, congrats, your RL is a FWD based commuter car. Our engines are LEV also, so stop talking about thing you don't have a clue about.
No, now you can leave and go back to your ricer forums. Here you are, calling out the LS1 and calling it "underpowered" on LS1Tech.com. You can't be serious, just leave now.
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Lets start here, the RL that I have is AWD and has 300hp and yes it cost more then your "home" on wheels. So you should not talk out of you *** about **** you dont know about
About the power band
My car is not stock so it makes good tq and damn good power under the curve. You motor would turn mine backward??? In that case, where do you live??? Wanna race with us when the track opens??? Didnt think so, Im sure you are some dumb *** 19yo that thinks his **** is fast. Im down to run if you are near me
I understand that the motor is a Gen 3. If you would read I said that the Ing system, ext is not the same.
I have never talked **** about the ls1, I just belive it could be made better with more tech.
You seem mad, Im not sure what the problem is. Is it the lack of **** or the lack or H/P???
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by TransAminal
Dude you're an idiot. The LS7 is one of the best production motors ever created, and you're disgracing it by saying that they "should use the tech that Honda and Toyota use" - why, so it can be a no-torque 800lb huge *** engine that takes up the whole engine bay and uses more fuel?? Are you retarded?? It makes 505HP, sounds awesome, and still manages 27MPG on the highway.
Do us all a favor and refrain from posting, its making everyone dumber.
Do us all a favor and refrain from posting, its making everyone dumber.
They used high c/r to make alot of h/p, also I do belive they used 4 vpc... right??
What are you talking about using more gas??? 99% of the time the imports use less gas then the dom.
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From: Sterling VA
Originally Posted by Sparetire
Cant wait for the vids!
And while were on the subject of RD into motors, two facts stand out:
1)(And this is what got me interested in these motors initially) The LS6 is one a small number of NA powerplants making about 1HP per pound engine in bone stock form.
2)GM spent many hundreds of millions on the LSX architecture, Ive heard as much as a bilion in the various programs for trucks, cars, etc.
In the end there a whole lot of different ways to go fast and frankly that's a good thing. Think about what the most interesting races on here are. Cobras, AWD turbo buggies, and other LSXs. It would suck if everything was the same.
And while were on the subject of RD into motors, two facts stand out:
1)(And this is what got me interested in these motors initially) The LS6 is one a small number of NA powerplants making about 1HP per pound engine in bone stock form.
2)GM spent many hundreds of millions on the LSX architecture, Ive heard as much as a bilion in the various programs for trucks, cars, etc.
In the end there a whole lot of different ways to go fast and frankly that's a good thing. Think about what the most interesting races on here are. Cobras, AWD turbo buggies, and other LSXs. It would suck if everything was the same.
It would be hard to belive that GM spent that much money on that motor. GM is damn near broke. My uncle is the project mang for the Caddy SRX. He lives in Lanceing sp? Mich. GM is having a hard time, even the Z06 has some problems, such as the roof wanting to fly off. But, people buy that car for the motor and as long as that works they should be happy
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From: ca
Originally Posted by BLACKTURBOS2K
You are the dumb ***. I said that the Z06 motor is good.
They used high c/r to make alot of h/p, also I do belive they used 4 vpc... right??
They used high c/r to make alot of h/p, also I do belive they used 4 vpc... right??
ls1 uses 10:1 CR plus 5.7L with 2 valves per cylinder. (345hp)
i guess a bump from 10:1 to 11:1 is significant, but not mind blowing. displacement means a lot.
What are you talking about using more gas??? 99% of the time the imports use less gas then the dom.