Ricer Vs. 01 Cobra
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I think Evo and STi guys are so funny. You guys always talk about about ET and never about trap speed. This seems to be a subject that you guys do not talk about. You guys have good ETs because of your gearing and AWD. From what I have seen in the street racing crowd and from personal experience, the EVOs and STIs seem to come up short in the trap speed department (unless the boost is WAY up). In the crowd I hang with, EVO guys do run up top because most LS1, Mach1s, GTOs and Cobras walk them up top pretty good. In my opinion, the trap speed is the true measure of power. Not ET. Many things can be done to drop the ET. However, higher traps are not that easily attained. Now when you already have good trap speeds from the factory, add your bolt-ons and then make modification to decrease your ETs, than you a fast car in all aspects...Not just ET.
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
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its not just your opinion trap speed is a direct reflection of power. im not an EVO guy, im a car guy that owns an EVO as well as a mustang, i have also owned a 95 Z28 M6, 98 mustang GT, 90 eclipse GSX, my current 01 mustang GT, and i have had a couple civic beaters.
#86
Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
I think Evo and STi guys are so funny. You guys always talk about about ET and never about trap speed. This seems to be a subject that you guys do not talk about. You guys have good ETs because of your gearing and AWD. From what I have seen in the street racing crowd and from personal experience, the EVOs and STIs seem to come up short in the trap speed department (unless the boost is WAY up). In the crowd I hang with, EVO guys do run up top because most LS1, Mach1s, GTOs and Cobras walk them up top pretty good. In my opinion, the trap speed is the true measure of power. Not ET. Many things can be done to drop the ET. However, higher traps are not that easily attained. Now when you already have good trap speeds from the factory, add your bolt-ons and then make modification to decrease your ETs, than you a fast car in all aspects...Not just ET.
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
I think the reason alot of Evo owners dont trap all that high is they dont setup there car right. With just cams and a well tuned car trapping 114+ is fairly easy.
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Originally Posted by NIevo
Im trapping 118-120, is that any good On the stock turbo and flashed stock cpu too.
I think the reason alot of Evo owners dont trap all that high is they dont setup there car right. With just cams and a well tuned car trapping 114+ is fairly easy.
I think the reason alot of Evo owners dont trap all that high is they dont setup there car right. With just cams and a well tuned car trapping 114+ is fairly easy.
Exactly sir.
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I know boosted cars can be made fast. That is why I stated that the EVO & STI can be made fast with the boost turned up. As long as a motor has good internal parts, the boost can be turned up to make very good power and not blowing up. However, the original post concerned an 01 Cobra which is not the Supercharged version. Comparing a power adder car (with the boost turned up) with an N/A car is really not a fair comparison. However, for an N/A car, they still make good power even without a SC. American car makers such as Ford does not normally add a SC or turbo to the common V8 because of the amount of power that could be made. Sometime it does happen...hence the 03/04 Cobra (390Hp with only 8lbs of boost) & the Shelby Cobra (500Hp with a 5.4 Liter and SC). By the way, these are stock number. A simple pulley change or even a Kenne Bell puts these cars deep into the 11's. Oh, and by the way, on stock cam and internals! Maybe you should try these cars out instead of a basically stock N/A V8 car.
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
I know boosted cars can be made fast. That is why I stated that the EVO & STI can be made fast with the boost turned up. As long as a motor has good internal parts, the boost can be turned up to make very good power and not blowing up. However, the original post concerned an 01 Cobra which is not the Supercharged version. Comparing a power adder car (with the boost turned up) with an N/A car is really not a fair comparison. However, for an N/A car, they still make good power even without a SC. American car makers such as Ford does not normally add a SC or turbo to the common V8 because of the amount of power that could be made. Sometime it does happen...hence the 03/04 Cobra (390Hp with only 8lbs of boost) & the Shelby Cobra (500Hp with a 5.4 Liter and SC). By the way, these are stock number. A simple pulley change or even a Kenne Bell puts these cars deep into the 11's. Oh, and by the way, on stock cam and internals! Maybe you should try these cars out instead of a basically stock N/A V8 car.
#90
Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
I think Evo and STi guys are so funny. You guys always talk about about ET and never about trap speed. This seems to be a subject that you guys do not talk about. You guys have good ETs because of your gearing and AWD. From what I have seen in the street racing crowd and from personal experience, the EVOs and STIs seem to come up short in the trap speed department (unless the boost is WAY up). In the crowd I hang with, EVO guys do run up top because most LS1, Mach1s, GTOs and Cobras walk them up top pretty good. In my opinion, the trap speed is the true measure of power. Not ET. Many things can be done to drop the ET. However, higher traps are not that easily attained. Now when you already have good trap speeds from the factory, add your bolt-ons and then make modification to decrease your ETs, than you a fast car in all aspects...Not just ET.
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
I too was tired of launching easily while watching these AWD cars take their 2 car lead and me running them down. Now, I simply added my 31-Spline Eaton posi, 31 Spline Moser Axels, Control Arms and a pair of Mickey T. ET Drag radials.... and BAM. The priceless moment is when I look on the face of the driver of thes AWD cars when I match their launch and begin pulling!!!!! It makes it all worth it!!
Evos and STI's aren't fast stock. Period. Trapping at 101MPH doesn't impress me at all for the price or the hype surrounding them. They only put down 240WHP stock, which is pretty pathetic. Low 13's are only attainable because of short gearing and AWD. They get murdered by any car with a real motor from anything other than a dig.
Of course, then all the Evo owners come in and start the **** talking. About how their car did this, that or the other thing on "the stock turbo" or "with a bad tune" or "only with XX amount of boost". Its a joke, it really is, because the boost pressure dictates how fast the car goes. You can instantaneosly bump up your performance by bumpin up the boost.
NIevo claims he traps at 118MPH. Wow, are we supposed to be impressed?? When you mod your car and crank up the boost to ungodly levels, yea, its going to make more power. It also reduces driveability and compromises engine reliability. If they want to do that, its their call though, let them think their cars are indestructible because its a "4G63 yo"
Heres a perfect analogy:
Everyone knows that A4 LS1's have dead spots and that the 4L60E isn't best suited to LS1 duty in stock form. Guys often bring this issue up when talking about the autos. Obviously this issue can be addressed with a stall converter and a built transmission. Now, if everyone acted like Evo ricers, everytime someone brough this issue up, trolls would come in from all directions, completely ignoring the facts and claiming that the issues don't exist because they can be addressed with the said aftermarket modifications.
Same thing happens whenever Evos get mentioned around here. Some ricer always has the answer to every possible fault that the Evo has (and yes, there are a lot). It gets really old after a while, especially listening to it on LStech, which should be a rice free environment
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
I know boosted cars can be made fast. That is why I stated that the EVO & STI can be made fast with the boost turned up. As long as a motor has good internal parts, the boost can be turned up to make very good power and not blowing up. However, the original post concerned an 01 Cobra which is not the Supercharged version. Comparing a power adder car (with the boost turned up) with an N/A car is really not a fair comparison. However, for an N/A car, they still make good power even without a SC. American car makers such as Ford does not normally add a SC or turbo to the common V8 because of the amount of power that could be made. Sometime it does happen...hence the 03/04 Cobra (390Hp with only 8lbs of boost) & the Shelby Cobra (500Hp with a 5.4 Liter and SC). By the way, these are stock number. A simple pulley change or even a Kenne Bell puts these cars deep into the 11's. Oh, and by the way, on stock cam and internals! Maybe you should try these cars out instead of a basically stock N/A V8 car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHjr-...elated&search=
Supercharged V8 > Turbo 4 Banger
American Muscle can play the boost game too.
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i have a Mustang GT that i ran a 100 shot on for a while, maybe will again. my stock evo trapped 106 so i dont know where your getting 101 from. and yes the original post did concern a NA v8 against a boost 4. big deal. my car had 2 more doors and half the cylinders, and i was running STOCK BOOST. i have also raced a gt500 and pullied cobras. there will be a vid up soon.
did you even look at the descripion of the vid you posted? 2.67 pulley, headers, x-pipe, catback, intake. dumbass.
did you even look at the descripion of the vid you posted? 2.67 pulley, headers, x-pipe, catback, intake. dumbass.
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Originally Posted by EVO 9
i have a Mustang GT that i ran a 100 shot on for a while, maybe will again. my stock evo trapped 106 so i dont know where your getting 101 from. and yes the original post did concern a NA v8 against a boost 4. big deal. my car had 2 more doors and half the cylinders, and i was running STOCK BOOST. i have also raced a gt500 and pullied cobras. there will be a vid up soon.
did you even look at the descripion of the vid you posted? 2.67 pulley, headers, x-pipe, catback, intake. dumbass.
did you even look at the descripion of the vid you posted? 2.67 pulley, headers, x-pipe, catback, intake. dumbass.
#94
Originally Posted by TransAminal
I'm glad there's someone else who realizes this besides me.
Evos and STI's aren't fast stock. Period. Trapping at 101MPH doesn't impress me at all for the price or the hype surrounding them. They only put down 240WHP stock, which is pretty pathetic. Low 13's are only attainable because of short gearing and AWD. They get murdered by any car with a real motor from anything other than a dig.
Evos and STI's aren't fast stock. Period. Trapping at 101MPH doesn't impress me at all for the price or the hype surrounding them. They only put down 240WHP stock, which is pretty pathetic. Low 13's are only attainable because of short gearing and AWD. They get murdered by any car with a real motor from anything other than a dig.
Originally Posted by TransAminal
Of course, then all the Evo owners come in and start the **** talking. About how their car did this, that or the other thing on "the stock turbo" or "with a bad tune" or "only with XX amount of boost". Its a joke, it really is, because the boost pressure dictates how fast the car goes. You can instantaneosly bump up your performance by bumpin up the boost.
Originally Posted by TransAminal
NIevo claims he traps at 118MPH. Wow, are we supposed to be impressed?? When you mod your car and crank up the boost to ungodly levels, yea, its going to make more power. It also reduces driveability and compromises engine reliability. If they want to do that, its their call though, let them think their cars are indestructible because its a "4G63 yo"
Originally Posted by TransAminal
Heres a perfect analogy:
Everyone knows that A4 LS1's have dead spots and that the 4L60E isn't best suited to LS1 duty in stock form. Guys often bring this issue up when talking about the autos. Obviously this issue can be addressed with a stall converter and a built transmission. Now, if everyone acted like Evo ricers, everytime someone brough this issue up, trolls would come in from all directions, completely ignoring the facts and claiming that the issues don't exist because they can be addressed with the said aftermarket modifications.
Same thing happens whenever Evos get mentioned around here. Some ricer always has the answer to every possible fault that the Evo has (and yes, there are a lot). It gets really old after a while, especially listening to it on LStech, which should be a rice free environment
Everyone knows that A4 LS1's have dead spots and that the 4L60E isn't best suited to LS1 duty in stock form. Guys often bring this issue up when talking about the autos. Obviously this issue can be addressed with a stall converter and a built transmission. Now, if everyone acted like Evo ricers, everytime someone brough this issue up, trolls would come in from all directions, completely ignoring the facts and claiming that the issues don't exist because they can be addressed with the said aftermarket modifications.
Same thing happens whenever Evos get mentioned around here. Some ricer always has the answer to every possible fault that the Evo has (and yes, there are a lot). It gets really old after a while, especially listening to it on LStech, which should be a rice free environment
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Well it depends on how you race. If its always at the track then E.T. is more important but if you do alot of roll racing on the street then your trap makes more of a difference.
#97
Originally Posted by NIevo
Well it depends on how you race. If its always at the track then E.T. is more important but if you do alot of roll racing on the street then your trap makes more of a difference.
Believe me I understand that. I also know that you can't always go from a dig. But ot choose a roll race.....is choosing not to race. Real racing is from a dig.
And since we were talking abotu EVO's and STi's........I dont' think Rolll racing was the 'main topic'.
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I agree with you, I almost never race on the street. I was just saying why most people think trap is more important. It also gives you a better idea of your hp level.
Ok.......bash away!! Evo's suck....there so slow....Im such a ricer....
Ok.......bash away!! Evo's suck....there so slow....Im such a ricer....
#99
Originally Posted by NIevo
I agree with you, I almost never race on the street. I was just saying why most people think trap is more important. It also gives you a better idea of your hp level.
Ok.......bash away!! Evo's suck....there so slow....Im such a ricer....
Ok.......bash away!! Evo's suck....there so slow....Im such a ricer....
Not a ricer......cause you dont' think the Evo is God's Gift...and you dont' think Roll racing is the end all (even in an Evo).
But, I must ask........does your Evo have a Fart tip......cause if it does..you are going to make it hard for me to think you are not a ricer.
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i got beat by an Evo VIII from a roll last night. dammit.
yeah, an 01 Cobra can beat a stock LS1 on the street, depends on drivers...
yeah, Machs have a couple more hps to the wheels b/c of the IRS on the Snakes (305 Mach, 320 Cobra), but the Cobras definitely shine upstairs, not to be slept on
hate to see anybody get bashed just because they post up with cars other than the ones the forums are about. i post on all sorts of forums...but i'm just a car guy...besides, i'm too old to bash (as opposed to bustin chops) folks just b/c of their choice of rides...even if they are ricers
yeah, an 01 Cobra can beat a stock LS1 on the street, depends on drivers...
yeah, Machs have a couple more hps to the wheels b/c of the IRS on the Snakes (305 Mach, 320 Cobra), but the Cobras definitely shine upstairs, not to be slept on
hate to see anybody get bashed just because they post up with cars other than the ones the forums are about. i post on all sorts of forums...but i'm just a car guy...besides, i'm too old to bash (as opposed to bustin chops) folks just b/c of their choice of rides...even if they are ricers