You realize that back in the 60s, most of the "musclecars" ran 14s/15s, right? And I guess since all you said was you hate 15-16s quarter mile cars, it would have been ok with you to modify my GS-R (14.97 ) as quick as I wanted?

 

Sry to say there was no tire wide enough in the early 60s.Real cars were out in the late 60s with 400-450hp with no technology!!...we are 47 years later,you can see that import doesnt have any history with great cars that they can relate to...funny 14.97! you could have get a z28 for the same price instead of your type-r LOL...

 

Good point and you would've been about a second faster in the 1/4 too. He also probably could've gotten an LS1 for cheaper that his Mustang too and been a lot faster. But o well it's all in the opinion of the buyer. And actually Irunelevens has said a few times he wanted an LS1, why he got a Mustang GT is beyond me though.

 

the other reason some of these modded four cylinders run so fast with turbo is because of gearing. I had a little 95 saturn sl2 that kept up with just about any car in first and sescond gear. Stock too. Alot of the civics running turbos aren't even putting out more than 200hp, but run high 13's because of light weight and close gearing, shifting way sooner than we do in our cars. My saturn's first gear went to 25, second went to 50. My trans Am goes to 50 in first. It's funny though..how the saturn was very quick thru 2 gears and then just ran out of breath, lost the umph factor...hence the reason I bought a Trans Am. I wanted to turbo my saturn. True sleper, it's not very well known, but there are a little cult of saturn tuners that will surprise the **** outa you.

 

Doesn't have any history with great cars they can relate to????WHAT??? What about the. . . . . (sorry I gotta say it). . . .the whasthefuk car, you know, the all wheel drive gooseamaflodgeit. Damn it, its on the tip of my tongue. It's been a household name for years. skyline-yeah thats it! hahahahaha Just kidding. Hey all cars have their place. I drive a 2001 maxima for a work car. I'm not gonna turbo, fartcan muffler, bleacher wing, enough nos to blow the welds on the intake it, but it gets me back and forth to work with decent gas mileage. If I want performance, I'm gonna start with a performance car and build it up. To each his own, but I don't think I will buy a new ZO-6 and pull the motor and tranny and put in a 4-cyl and 4sp OD transmission to get better gas mileage.(kind of silly huh?)

 

Well you cant lump all modded imports together. Thats like me saying I hate domestics because its retarded to mod a 6cyl Camaro. When you have cars that were made for racing and running 13sec 1/4 mile times stock such as the Evo, Skyline, Supra, NSX, etc. you cant lump them in the same category as a civic or similar cars.

 

Wow what an ignorant comment that was. You really need to do some homework. There has been a rich tradition with racing in the Japanese market. These companies have made strides in motorsports and have changed the way people race today.

Datsun/Nissan have a history dating back to the 1960s in road racing, rallying, and JGTC. Since it's introduction in 1957 the Nissan Skyline has been racing GT since 1964 road racing, and JGTC since its introduction in 1994. The Nissan Silvia debuted in 1968 and has been a part of road racing and World Rally Championship since the 1980s (before AWD took over).

Mitsubishi dates back to 1917 and has a history in street racing since the 1960s. Mitsubishi turned its focus to circuit racing and rally style events in the 1970s from WRC to Dakar. The Lancer 1600 GSR, Lancer EX2000 Turbo, Starion, and Galant VR-4 have dominated in rallying since the 1970s. The 1980s brought change with the Lancer Evolution.

Honda was founded in 1948 and almost immediately founded the Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) in 1954. Starting with motorcycles HRC contributed to the advancement of motorcycle sports. They have been a part of Motorcycle Grand Prix since 1959.

Honda also have ties to F1 where they first debuted in 1964. Honda also has been involved in circuit racing, CART, and the Indy Racing League. In 2006 Honda became the sole engine supplier for the IRL, including the Indianapolis 500. In the 2006 Indianapolis 500, for the first time in Indianapolis 500 history, the race was run without a single engine problem!

Toyota's history in motorsport can be traced back to the 1970s with rallying with the Corolla and later the Celica. They have been involved with CART from 1996-2002, F1 since 1997, and the IRL since 2003. 2007 marked Toyota's arrival in Nascar with the Camry and the Tundra in the Craftsman Truck Series.

 

1) I got my Integra back in 2001 because I WANTED an Integra, and it was $5900
2) It wasn't a Type R, if you can read
3) If you think there are no imports that are "great cars," you're sorely mistaken.

And tspence, you're right... I have said many times that I wanted a GTO or WS6, but ended up getting the Mustang. And I also said many times WHY. I had an '05 Frontier (great truck) that I bought for my a/c repair job about 2 years ago. After my accident, since I couldn't have a motorcycle anymore and I no longer did the same job, I decided to get a car that I could have more fun in. The problem was that I had put 21k miles on my LEASED truck in the span of 7 months (20k of which came in the first 3 months). So I was roughly $10k upside down. So to get the least-painful buttrape, I needed to find a car at the same dealership I was returning the truck to so they could work with me. I looked on their website, and they didn't have any Trans Ams or GTOs, but they had a rather nice Mustang GT for a good price, so I went and got that. Sorry for the ... just clearing up the story

 

I didnt say there were no good, they are great economical and reliable cars. But on the performance side, you start behind real performance car when you start modding and I dont like the look and the sound...

About you Gorilla, I said they are no great cars that import fan can relate to back in the 60s,not that the japanese company did nothing before 2007!! The first Lancer was out in 73, and it looks real bad compare to muscle car.We are not in the 60s anymore with that said. Do you research better to tell me that the 60s were not the years of muscle car performance!! Camaro was out in 67, if you want to talk about cars of the 60s.

 

408 CID, fck the bullshit

 

Your not telling me anything I don't already know about 60's muscle car performance. I'm not as young as you may think and I have an appreciation for all motorsports and cars alike. Right now for my vintage collection I have a 1968 AMC AMX, 1971 Javelin, 1973 Gremlin, and a 1972 Chevelle SS. Newer cars consist of 2005 Evo, 2005 Benz, and 1996 Impala SS. I also had a 1997 lt1.

 

I'm not trying to teach you anything, just replying to someone who called me ''ignorant'' because he didnt read my post correctly...wow, you are rich!!

 

ANYWAY.....We all know you beat him in atleast one thing....SOUND there ain't a 4 banger on earth that can compare in sound to a nice V8. Maybe I'll say my bikes 600cc isn't that bad but still no V8.

 

+1.....

 

It was an ignorant comment. I wasn't trying to show you up or anything.

The 1960s have great import cars they just weren't sold here in large numbers or sometimes never sold at all. American's also held resentment to Japanese and their products after WWII for many years . Also, Japanese economy was just starting to gain in the 60's and couldn't take chances economically like we could with our car companies. Our economy was flourishing enabled us to take chances economically and build these gas guzzling v8s right after WWII when hot rods became popular. It was these post war hot rodder's ideas which lead to the muscle cars of the 60s and 70s.

The Japanese took a different approach by making small displacement cars with lighter bodies. They weren't into 1/4 machines but all around handling cars. They have great cars but they are over shadowed by the rods, customs, and muscle machines of the era. They are rarely talked about but should be made known that they help lead in the revolution in motorsports along with every other American company to European company.

 

I agree with you to some extent. Honda's sound like absolute **** cammed and what not. But listen to a Mitsubishi 4g63 turbo motor cammed or a Subaru flat 4 turbo motor cammed...they sound really really good even at WOT.

 

If the import of the 60s were that good, why dont you have one in your collection?...

 

They are pretty hard to come by for various reasons as stated below but I'm always looking out for one. Huge collectors of old Datsun Z's are Jay Leno and Adam Corrolla.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla_Gorilla

The 1960s have great import cars they just weren't sold here in large numbers or sometimes never sold at all. American's also held resentment to Japanese and their products after WWII for many years .

 

I dont agree, they sound terrible and like a lawnmower too.

 

Get a famous Skyline and be happy. They are not that hard to get.