I agree with you Nlevo, but the problem is that people(not always ricer)put civics,integras,rsxs,crxs in the same category as supras,evos,skylines and NSXs...thats what bothering me the most.They think their everyday fartcan is a GT racer.

 

Guys there's no reason to trash imports or imports to trash our cars. If you own a car...any kind of car....if you can mod it and make it run with "race cars"....then hell yeah...kudos to you!

I like my Z28 and I like some Cobras...I also like some EVO's and some Supra's

I respect anyone that can mod their car and make it run faster!

No need for hostility....no need for trashing others cars.

 

I do respect everyone who mod their cars the right way and push em to the limits. It's just the ricer phenomenom that gets me angry sometimes, like today

 

I respect well built civics and rsx's etc.. when they are built right. I'm with you on that one I can't stand the ricer mentality. I think it's possible for domestic car owners to have the "ricer mentality as well."

 

I agree with you......I respect anyone that mods their car..and I respect any car. But I don't repsect the little **** talkers. Win or loose....just be respectful/

 

I have more respect for this forum every day. Even though I have a 240sx with an sr20 in it I love seeing whats going on in the muscle car world as well. My car is by no means a ricer, lowered on good wide low offset rims with a stock body.... and a dent. Also runs 12s. But if I could have it my way itd have a bolt on ls1 in it.

I love this forum, good respect no matter what car it is as long as it doesnt look like ***.

 

I don't disagree with you. In fact i fully agree with you. I am talking about this kids with the 12 colors of stickers and the people who have a soda can for an exhaust. No paint just primer. I fully agree

 

I hope you are not referring to the WRC when you say that Mitsu have "dominated in rallying since the 1970s". If so, that is totally FALSE!! All Japan, or Asian Rally Championships, OK, but NOT the WRC. They did not "dominate" in the WRC until MUCH later, relatively recently, actually.
The same goes for Toy, with the Group A Celica GT4s, and "kit car" Corollas. DEFINITELY NOT in the 70s, in the WRC. Funny how with all of their "invincible technical superiority" and Camry/Corolla trillions of $$$$ behind them, your Nippon Giant does not have much to show for being in F1 for what, 10 years now, do they??!

 

Funny story just happened speaking of fart-can exhausts. Was heading out on the interstate going to get some steaks for dinner and I am cruising at 75mph next to this Civic with the classic F-C muffler. Well its coming up to a off-ramp and theres a semi in front of the civic so once the road for the off-ramp comes up he punches it around the semi. I swear it must have taken him 5 seconds to go from 75 to 80 but boy did that car sound like it was giving it all it had!

 

Its not like Americans didn't try to make all around performers either, Corvettes had IRS starting in 1963 the Boss 302’s and the original Z28’s actually don't handle bad at all and with today’s tires handle nearly as well as a modern performance car. Also we can never forget our own light weight the Shelby Cobra probably the greatest all around performer of all time (well half ours the body is British) Plus people like to say how old school american muscle can't rev that high really the Boss 302 with its short 3 inch stoke and canted vales (that flow even better than LS6 heads) could out rev just about any DOHC on the market today same goes for Chevy's 302.

 

 

Oh I totally agree with you. Those cars were great handeling cars for the time. I was just responding to Johnnystock and his off base comment about imports not having any history. People forget that in 1968 Carol Shelby went to drive for Toyota and Pete Brock (formerly of GM) went to drive for Nissan/Datsun.

 

You still didnt named all of their great cars in the 60s. Thats what I said. Stop deforming for your pleasure, you did it twice already,enough I think. It seems that you are in love with the import cars, you always have that comment to trash domestics and to glorify imports. I dont get it why you do that here on LS1tech.com, a dedicated forum to domestics!!! I wont buy a 73 Lancer or a 66 Skyline with 160hp while a 67 Camaro has a 295hp 350ci; not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

 

dont feel bad about the civic death... i got walked on by an srt-4 (Im assuming heavily modded). The guy pulled on me 1 car easily under 55 or 60.

 

Name me one thread where I trash domestics in my history on LS1tech.com?

Here I did the search for you.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/search.php?searchid=5125419

 

x 3.

In fact, they ALL may have actually outhandled V_G's beloved, precious little TOY 2000GT that 'ol Shel piloted a few times way back then.

 

I think Toyota, when backed by Shelby, did good in terms of being the new team on the block. Not great but well for what they were able to develop in that short amount of time.

 

You are trying to make a proof that japanese cars had a greater history in the 60s than the american did, but you will never proof that, because everyone knows the 60s belongs to the americans. The trash I'm talking about is that you always have that little comment to take down americans;
That is an ignorant comment and you should do your homeworks:
Carroll Shelby has participated to a lot of projects and he was a specialist to modify any kind of car because of his racing background.He raced for a lot of car's company during the 50s; Cad-Allard, Aston Martin, Maserati, Austin-Healy, and Aston Martin. He retired driving in 1959 .He never raced for a japanese company.His great works is his Shelby AMERICAN vehicule company. He produced a total of 14915 pure american cars. He worked to modify a lot of cars for Dodge too, 19 models in total.

Brock, at the age of 19, was hired on the spot and went to work in GM's design studios. He worked on design for the corvair, corvette stingray,Cobra Daytona Coupe and the Ghia De Tomaso when he had a trip to Italy.

Peter Brock found the BRE when he left Carroll Shelby racing team in 1966.Pete thought he had a deal with Toyota to race their 2000GT in 1966/67, however that contract and the cars were given to Caroll Shelby instead. BRE then contracted with Hino Motors to develope their Contessa for California Club Racing. When Hino was merged into Toyota, Pete then turned to Nissan Motors Ltd. in Japan and gained a contract to assist in the high performance development of their 2000 Roadster. After that Nissan Motor Company U.S.A. picked up sponsorship for the BRE Datsuns.
1968: Pete Brock receives his first contract with Nissan Motors to undertake a high performance development of the Datsun 2000 roadster. A bit after, the 240z came and replace the roadster in the racing team.

He never drove for them.He was in the racing management and car's design.The latest achievent of Pete is a modern version of Daytona Cobra Coupe

SO, dont make people think for a second that Carroll Shelby belongs to Japanese racing history. About Brock, he did change direction a lot of time in his career and he was in a little war with Carroll, thats why he turned to Nissan.

 

He's not trying to say Japan has more of a racing history than America... just that you can't downplay their racing history, because it was definitely there, and it was definitely big.

 

All I was trying to do was to show that imports do have a history after you made that off base comment. I provided some info off the top of my head and made a non confrontational post that they in fact did have a place motorsport history. Your attitude about imports is that they came out of no where after FnF was released which is what a lot of people seem to think around here. I acknowledge in the 1960s and 1970s muscle cars ruled about 20 posts ago. I never once said anything bad about domestic car or put one down! Hell, if you read any of my previous posts I actually "take down," as you would like to call it, import cars. I also own 4 domestics and all of them are muscle cars which I love!

I acknowledge my error in saying Caroll Shelby and Pete Brock drove for their respected import companies. Again, I was just explaining how great drivers in racing backed a team for both Toyota and Datsun, though it was short lived with Shelby. These teams did well for the time and resources they were put together with and that wasn't much.