A roush 427R new body mustang rolled up on me today
05-29-2007, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K1WS6TA
Are you serious? It's over-rated by around 60hp? The GT500 is only over-rated by what......like 50?
None of the GT500 cars I've seen dynoed were overrrated.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
We all know that a normal S281 isn't any faster than a regular GT. And they aren't quite $50k... last I checked it was $42k. Still overpriced, but not $50k. And you can't use 1/4 mile times to justify/disqualify price, because a C5 wasn't much faster in the 1/4 than an LS1 Formula, yet it cost ~$20k more. Of course the Corvette was much better all, but still.
05-31-2007, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MUSTANGBRKR02
on a side note went to the track and saw a new saleen run 13.50's allnight. 50g's well spent
05-31-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MUSTANGBRKR02
on a side note went to the track and saw a new saleen run 13.50's allnight. 50g's well spent
That was hilarious. Made me laugh man!
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It's REALLY NICE to see 9 year old F body kill a New roush 427R. LOL. The sticker price is 42k but with limited edition cars the dealer will and does sell them for 50k. On the cobra's they are sell them for 70k sticker at 50k.
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
05-31-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 5301113
It's REALLY NICE to see 9 year old F body kill a New roush 427R. LOL. The sticker price is 42k but with limited edition cars the dealer will and does sell them for 50k. On the cobra's they are sell them for 70k sticker at 50k.
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
Cobra's still going for 70? not in my area or ebay. sticker at 50k?..nope try 43k (location pending).
Please tell me how a GT500 is not a good bang for buck?
4000# - simple..weight reduction
500HP 5.4L Forged motor. Slap on a KB, and you have 800 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS NEEDED (aside from tune).
Am I missing something?
I've said it before, if you don't know about stangs, stop talking trash about them.
(Note: gt500 being bang for buck is opinionated)
06-01-2007, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 5301113
It's REALLY NICE to see 9 year old F body kill a New roush 427R. LOL. The sticker price is 42k but with limited edition cars the dealer will and does sell them for 50k. On the cobra's they are sell them for 70k sticker at 50k.
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
Roush overprice, Cobra's overprice
Bang for buck
I'd get a Vette
Question for you: If the MARKET price for your WS6 was now 50K, would you sell it for 30K?
One more: If people pay what they do for a porsche, though they be slower that your WS6 in straight-line performance, does it make them overpriced?
Food for thought.
I disagree with your opinion.
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[QUOTE=ponygt65]AM I the only one that didn't get that post?
Cobra's still going for 70? not in my area or ebay. sticker at 50k?..nope try 43k (location pending). The cobra's r hard to get here. So people will pay more for them
Please tell me how a GT500 is not a good bang for buck? I like cobra's they R to heave and need SC to compete with vette's
(Vette's have better weight dis for modding)
4000# - simple..weight reduction
500HP 5.4L Forged motor. Slap on a KB, and you have 800 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS NEEDED (aside from tune).
Am I missing something? I prefer vette's
I prefer a ZO6 At 3100 pounds . Slap on TT, and you have 700 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS and LIGHTER than overweight Cobra's
and still have better Performance
I've said it before, if you don't know about stangs, stop talking trash about them. I owe a mustang GT
I DO RUN 12'S AND I WILL TALK AS MUCH TRASH AS I CAN (FREE COUNTY)
Cobra's still going for 70? not in my area or ebay. sticker at 50k?..nope try 43k (location pending). The cobra's r hard to get here. So people will pay more for them
Please tell me how a GT500 is not a good bang for buck? I like cobra's they R to heave and need SC to compete with vette's
(Vette's have better weight dis for modding)
4000# - simple..weight reduction
500HP 5.4L Forged motor. Slap on a KB, and you have 800 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS NEEDED (aside from tune).
Am I missing something? I prefer vette's
I prefer a ZO6 At 3100 pounds . Slap on TT, and you have 700 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS and LIGHTER than overweight Cobra's
and still have better Performance
I've said it before, if you don't know about stangs, stop talking trash about them. I owe a mustang GT
I DO RUN 12'S AND I WILL TALK AS MUCH TRASH AS I CAN (FREE COUNTY)
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Originally Posted by 04Terminator
Your opinion...
Question for you: If the MARKET price for your WS6 was now 50K, would you sell it for 30K? WHAT DO YOU MEAN was now
One more: If people pay what they do for a porsche, though they be slower that your WS6 in straight-line performance, does it make them overpriced?
YES
I WILL NOT SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON MY CAR AND STILL GET BETTER PERFORMANCE.
IF I spend 15000 in modding i will have better performance car for the buck
Food for thought. I disagree with your opinion.
Question for you: If the MARKET price for your WS6 was now 50K, would you sell it for 30K?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN was now One more: If people pay what they do for a porsche, though they be slower that your WS6 in straight-line performance, does it make them overpriced?
YES
I WILL NOT SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON MY CAR AND STILL GET BETTER PERFORMANCE.
IF I spend 15000 in modding i will have better performance car for the buck
Food for thought.
I disagree with your opinion.
this is way I love your opinion 
06-01-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 5301113
this is way I love your opinion
Question for you: If the MARKET price for your WS6 was now 50K, would you sell it for 30K? WHAT DO YOU MEAN was now.
Not saying I agree with the dealer addendums, nor saying I disagree that the GT500 is overpriced at +/- 70K. I am saying that I think the GT500 would be a performance deal at factory suggested retail. My opinion.
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[QUOTE=5301113] 1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid.
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck.
3) Again preffered (see above)
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?
Originally Posted by ponygt65
AM I the only one that didn't get that post?
Cobra's still going for 70? not in my area or ebay. sticker at 50k?..nope try 43k (location pending). The cobra's r hard to get here. So people will pay more for them
Please tell me how a GT500 is not a good bang for buck? I like cobra's they R to heave and need SC to compete with vette's
(Vette's have better weight dis for modding)
4000# - simple..weight reduction
500HP 5.4L Forged motor. Slap on a KB, and you have 800 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS NEEDED (aside from tune).
Am I missing something? I prefer vette's
I prefer a ZO6 At 3100 pounds . Slap on TT, and you have 700 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS and LIGHTER than overweight Cobra's
and still have better Performance
I've said it before, if you don't know about stangs, stop talking trash about them. I owe a mustang GT
I DO RUN 12'S AND I WILL TALK AS MUCH TRASH AS I CAN (FREE COUNTY)
Cobra's still going for 70? not in my area or ebay. sticker at 50k?..nope try 43k (location pending). The cobra's r hard to get here. So people will pay more for them
Please tell me how a GT500 is not a good bang for buck? I like cobra's they R to heave and need SC to compete with vette's
(Vette's have better weight dis for modding)
4000# - simple..weight reduction
500HP 5.4L Forged motor. Slap on a KB, and you have 800 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS NEEDED (aside from tune).
Am I missing something? I prefer vette's
I prefer a ZO6 At 3100 pounds . Slap on TT, and you have 700 HP WITH NO OTHER MODS and LIGHTER than overweight Cobra's
and still have better Performance
I've said it before, if you don't know about stangs, stop talking trash about them. I owe a mustang GT
I DO RUN 12'S AND I WILL TALK AS MUCH TRASH AS I CAN (FREE COUNTY)
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck.
3) Again preffered (see above)
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?
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Originally Posted by 04Terminator
I was just asking a hypothetical question; if you could get 50K for your car on the open market, would you only ask 30K (to avoid being accused of asking more than the car is worth...overpriced)? No. You would try and get what the market would bear. My point is that dealers are getting alot more than sticker for the GT500 because people (the market) are paying the markup (dealer addendum).
Not saying I agree with the dealer addendums, nor saying I disagree that the GT500 is overpriced at +/- 70K. I am saying that I think the GT500 would be a performance deal at factory suggested retail. My opinion.
Not saying I agree with the dealer addendums, nor saying I disagree that the GT500 is overpriced at +/- 70K. I am saying that I think the GT500 would be a performance deal at factory suggested retail. My opinion.
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[QUOTE=ponygt65][QUOTE=5301113]
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid. Without S/C's they don't have Performance equal to vette's
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck. You can still get a vette for the same price as a gt 500 and better performance with less weight. Thats partly why I PREFFER VETTE'S . U get more for less $.
3) Again preffered (see above) I'm saying that vette's are better bang for the buck then cobra's
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
OK SORRY OWN . BUT DO know alot about them
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?In your quote:[/QUOTE]
"We have a standing rule here. You have to be out of the 13's before
you can talk ****". : I RUN 12'S so I can talk **** or state my opinion or fact
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid. Without S/C's they don't have Performance equal to vette's
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck. You can still get a vette for the same price as a gt 500 and better performance with less weight. Thats partly why I PREFFER VETTE'S . U get more for less $.
3) Again preffered (see above) I'm saying that vette's are better bang for the buck then cobra's
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
OK SORRY OWN . BUT DO know alot about them
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?In your quote:[/QUOTE]
"We have a standing rule here. You have to be out of the 13's before
you can talk ****". : I RUN 12'S so I can talk **** or state my opinion or fact
06-01-2007, 03:43 PM
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[QUOTE=ponygt65]
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid.
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck.
3) Again preffered (see above)
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
5) what does 12s have to do with anything? answer to 1)
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route?
Originally Posted by 5301113
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid.
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck.
3) Again preffered (see above)
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route?
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[QUOTE=5301113][QUOTE=ponygt65]
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid. Without S/C's they don't have Performance equal to vette's
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck. You can still get a vette for the same price as a gt 500 and better performance with less weight. Thats partly why I PREFFER VETTE'S . U get more for less $.
3) Again preffered (see above) I'm saying that vette's are better bang for the buck then cobra's
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
OK SORRY OWN . BUT DO know alot about them
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?In your quote:[/QUOTE]
"We have a standing rule here. You have to be out of the 13's before
you can talk ****". : I RUN 12'S so I can talk **** or state my opinion or fact
More for less money?...I am confused. How do you figure?
First off, the GT500 is built more for straight line than it is road racing. However, for the suspension, weight, and aero it has, it handles rather nicely.
Secondly, how can you compare them for $$. The GT500 goes for WAY over MSRP. So, for the price that FORD set that car at, it is one hell of a bang for buck car. ($42k). What is GM's MSRP on the C6Z? 65 - 70K? I am not going to 'you can make the GT500 handle better for the price difference' either. THat is just stupiid IMO.
So, how can you say better 'bang for buck' with the MSRP is so different, AND the cars are designed with different things in mind.
It truely comes down to preference as to what is a better bang for buck. Looking at MSRP and what the cars can do..I would rather get a GT500 and KB the crap out of it. Because I 'prefer' to have straight line performance, not corner carving.
Now,...that is my preference. I do think the C6Z is one hell of a beast. It is one of only 3 or 4 vettes I would own, and i am not a vette guy. Anyone that says otherwise......is just not car savy.
BTW - I kind of figured your '12s' comment was a joke to unit's quote in my sig...but I wasn't 100% sure.
Originally Posted by 5301113
1) They don't need S/C's to compete. Ford just chooses to use it over using nore cid. Without S/C's they don't have Performance equal to vette's
2) "preferred" is nopt fact. I am trying to proove (as in fact) how a gt500 is a good bang for buck. You can still get a vette for the same price as a gt 500 and better performance with less weight. Thats partly why I PREFFER VETTE'S . U get more for less $.
3) Again preffered (see above) I'm saying that vette's are better bang for the buck then cobra's
4) you owe? a gt?...own? owning doesn't mean you know alot about them.
OK SORRY OWN . BUT DO know alot about them
5) what does 12s have to do with anything?In your quote:[/QUOTE]
"We have a standing rule here. You have to be out of the 13's before
you can talk ****". : I RUN 12'S so I can talk **** or state my opinion or fact
More for less money?...I am confused. How do you figure?
First off, the GT500 is built more for straight line than it is road racing. However, for the suspension, weight, and aero it has, it handles rather nicely.
Secondly, how can you compare them for $$. The GT500 goes for WAY over MSRP. So, for the price that FORD set that car at, it is one hell of a bang for buck car. ($42k). What is GM's MSRP on the C6Z? 65 - 70K? I am not going to 'you can make the GT500 handle better for the price difference' either. THat is just stupiid IMO.
So, how can you say better 'bang for buck' with the MSRP is so different, AND the cars are designed with different things in mind.
It truely comes down to preference as to what is a better bang for buck. Looking at MSRP and what the cars can do..I would rather get a GT500 and KB the crap out of it. Because I 'prefer' to have straight line performance, not corner carving.
Now,...that is my preference. I do think the C6Z is one hell of a beast. It is one of only 3 or 4 vettes I would own, and i am not a vette guy. Anyone that says otherwise......is just not car savy.
BTW - I kind of figured your '12s' comment was a joke to unit's quote in my sig...but I wasn't 100% sure.
06-01-2007, 03:47 PM
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answer to 1)
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route? I think I follow you...
Ever heard of the 03 or 04 Mach 1?
Have you checked into what morors power 8 second and lower cars? Are they LS1s? Strictly for sake of your argument...
Originally Posted by ponygt65
answer to 1)
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route?
Ever heard of the 03 or 04 Mach 1?
Have you checked into what morors power 8 second and lower cars? Are they LS1s? Strictly for sake of your argument...
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[QUOTE=NemeSS]
answer to 1)
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route?
HOLY CRAP...there is so much mis information on here, I dont' know where to start.
I can't reply without saying this though.................SHOW MY ONE 03-04 COBRA THAT IS N/A REGARDLESS OF ET!!! WOW.....
Originally Posted by ponygt65
answer to 1)
the 2v and 4v engines DO need FI to compete with LS motors
y has ford not stepped up to the plate and built convetional v8 ci motors
instead of sticking with a 3.5 bore motor?
the 4v may flow well but the 2v heads are turds. period.
N/A mod motors are almost non existant, perhaps there are some crazy solid roller nmra chassis tube lite weight race cars out there. but they are from conventional, i dont beleive a current 4v or 2v mod motor will make 500rwhp
without forced induction. i have never heard of a N/A 9 second 03' or 04'
terminator cobra,
but i have seen MANY 9 sec. LS all motor street/strip cars.
it is tru that they make killer hp with FI, but WHAT doesnt???
so the mod motors in there current form, they do need FI to compete
with LS motors,
even the 5.4 navigator motors
the one up advantage the mod motors have is they are factory equipped with
blowers, but where would they be if ford never went that route?
HOLY CRAP...there is so much mis information on here, I dont' know where to start.
I can't reply without saying this though.................SHOW MY ONE 03-04 COBRA THAT IS N/A REGARDLESS OF ET!!! WOW.....
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[QUOTE=04Terminator]
I think I follow you...
Ever heard of the 03 or 04 Mach 1?
Have you checked into what morors power 8 second and lower cars? Are they LS1s? Strictly for sake of your argument... I have heard of a mach......
BUt, as much of a mustang freak as I am....I have yet to hear of an N/A 03-04 term. WTF is that?
NemeSS - I also wanted to say....you can't compare...JUST motors. Motors need to go into cars.....so as 04Term stated above......do you NOT know what machs are capable of?
Originally Posted by NemeSS
I think I follow you...
Ever heard of the 03 or 04 Mach 1?
Have you checked into what morors power 8 second and lower cars? Are they LS1s? Strictly for sake of your argument...
BUt, as much of a mustang freak as I am....I have yet to hear of an N/A 03-04 term. WTF is that?NemeSS - I also wanted to say....you can't compare...JUST motors. Motors need to go into cars.....so as 04Term stated above......do you NOT know what machs are capable of?