Irunelevens

For one, a 2.2 60' time is not very good on street tires, and downright sad on drag radials. So not only would he have been in the 12s with a 1.8 or so 60' time, it also leads me to believe he's not the best driver. And second, the guy you quoted was somebody I linked to that thread. He told me that was his recipe for a "solid, consistent, all-day 12s 2V." And it doesn't matter how good of a DA the guy I know had for his run... he still ran it. And I like how you only quoted that one guy, and not the other people that agreed with me. There have been several in this thread, and atleast 2 (haven't checked it lately) on that thread over at svtp.

kyle91z28

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lol, these are always my favorite threads.

Say a Mustang GT hits a 12.999, with full-bolt ons and slicks. Just say it is possible and it actually happens, who the **** cares? 12.999@ 105 mph isn't anything special with full bolt-ons...so even if you prove your point who the **** cares? It's LS1tech, not Slowass2vmustangtech

Irunelevens

Well I'd say quite a few people care, based on this thread. And I also would figure that most car guys would like to have CORRECT information about cars they might potentially race, so I can't let them think that a bolt-on/geared/DR 99-04 GT is slower than it actually is. So yeah... I argue when I know I'm right.

kyle91z28

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I know how fast a bolt-on/geared/DR 99-04 GT is. NOT FAST AT ALL. They don't run 12's, end of story. Whoever ran 12's was either spraying and lying to you about it, or had cams they did not know about.

Dynotune04

you should get some seat time in your car at the track. it would make it a lot easier to back up your arguments.

delsold

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ya he makes for a good point...what does your bolt on GT run?

ponygt65

Thank you for clarifying that.

Irunelevens

Well I'm glad you're the Mustang expert... I don't see why it's so hard to believe a 280-290rwhp car that weighs 3400lbs and has 4.10s can run 12s with drag radials.

ponygt65

It's more than just peak hp though....I agree that a 2V bolt on (full bolt on) with DRs can hit high 12s. But, just remember, it's not just power..it's how and where the power is made (TQ/HP alike).

BTW - I don't consider an 'upper plenum' a bolt on. That's an aftermarket intake, which is basically at least a port job, and goes along with head work.

Irunelevens

Unfortunately I haven't been to the track since last summer, and that was only 1/8 mile. Being my first time at the track with this car (not to mention the 90 degree temps) I didn't expect anything fantastic, but I think my best run (out of 3 that night) was 9.0x @ 80mph... but the time was dropping every run. I need to get my car dynoed again to see if I am still at the same power levels with this new (remanufactured) shortblock that was installed a couple months ago. And then when it cools down again, I'm gonna go to Ennis and see what she'll do in the 1/4. But assuming I'm at the same power level as before, I'm hoping for/expecting mid 13s @ 103-105. But I suppose we shall just have to see what happens

Irunelevens

Oh, I know it's not just about peak power... area under the curve is the most important part. And I'm glad that you agree with me about the 2V/12s thing. But an upper plenum really is just a 5 min job. I don't know what you mean when you say its "basically at least a port job?"

01FormulaTA

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^^^if you are running 9's in the 1/8 dont expect low-mid thirteens....you will be dissapointed.....also just to clarify this whole thread I have basically been trying to point out that bolt-on GT's dont normally run 12's......if one does it was a fluke w/ amazing track conditions that dont usually occur......for every legit bolt-on only 2V in the 12's there is probably equal or more stock LS1's in the 12's(meaning it is a rare occurence).....this whole thread it seems to me like you are acting like bolt-on 2V's all run 12's and they just dont...prob 99% of 2V GT's that stay bolt-on only with full weight and DR's will never see 12's...now F-bodies on the other hand will DEFINITELY run 12's with just bolt-ons and the 2 cars just arent in the same league.....

ponygt65

Aftermarket upper plenums (upper intakes) have better 'holes' for flow. They are basically a port job. Some are same flow, but better design. I know it is a quick mod physically, but I (personally) consider it with Heads and Cams. Because....they all work together. But, that's just me. H/C work won't give you much benefit on stangs without a good upper intake (and vice versa).

04Terminator

Holy ****. I think my next project will be a bolt-on 2V stang. I feel sure I can get a 12 sec slip. I love a challenge.

Didn't I see a post from TX hotrods showing a low 12 2V?

Stangs are slow. I wish I were as fast as V8EATR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAwQjA4d8Qw

ponygt65

I understand your point......I am just saying it can happen.

Maybe both of you came out so head strong on your opinions, you can't really see that you are saying the same thing, only differently.

01FormulaTA

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they sure did buddy......and here are the mods:
99 GT $6500
Cold Air intake $159
75mm Upper & TB $289
Upper/Lower control arms $209 (UPR)
Lakewood 90/10 or 70/30's $198/pr
Strange 10 way rear shocks $140/pr
4.10's $200
Off road H or X $159
Cat Back $300
Stage II Cams $625
Springs for Cams $229
SCT Tune with chip or XCal2 $379
Weld Rims/Tires $800 - used


Close to $4000 in mods and they got some 12.4's.....but IMO they should also add in some 33 spline axles, a new differential, and a new clutch, and also a new tranny b/c the T45 isnt gonna last that long.....

ponygt65

Dynotune04

agreed. my whole point was that it is possible for a 2 valve to see 12s with bolt ons gears and drag radials. not that it happens everyday. also you are right there is no comparison for an ls1 to a 2valve gt.

Dynotune04

other than what i already posted i have no new numbers for now. i can give you dyno numbers tho. 347 rwhp 427 ftlbs on a 100 shot with 800 psi bottle pressure. 259 289 on the motor.that was before the longtubes throttle body and plenum and the gears ( not that they matter). should be around 275-280 on the motor and 370-380 on the bottle with 950 psi (going back for retune before fun ford weekend aug 18th). my tuner said it should go low 12s maybe high elevens if i can get it to hook and drive the ***** outa of it. but im gonna go with 12.0-12.50 somewhere in that ballpark. and thats on the gas of coarse.

Bob Cosby

Lets add some more fuel to this fire....I know of a "stock-motored" 2V GT that went 11s. No power adder. No head porting. Stock cams, stock shortblock, just external engine mods.

Wanna internet race to see if I can prove it?