wickedwarlock

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Nope, they are faster than lt1s. Now I'm assuming the latter years. 03-04.

kens03cobra

What does a stock ls1 fbod run?


Ken

SS101

iTrader: (2)

depends on year and tranny...wikipedia claimed that the fastest stock f-bod (stock from filter to tips that is) broke 12s

there's a post on here somewhere that a guy in norcal ran 12.66 with nothing but a k&n...1.9xx 60'. no time slip tho

88blackgt

you dont have a clue, just stay out of it. the point was that if its that close from a roll, its going to be closer from a dig.

kens03cobra

So low to mid 13's for avg joe blow racer boy?


L's are mid 13's too, so to the guy who said they are no match for Ls1's is off a lil

Pretty close actually

Ken

ponygt65

I think some of you don't realize the differences in L's pending the years (which is why one poster stated 03-04 L's - which is actually 02-04 @380)

SS101

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L's are mid thirteens with good driving and a great launch...ls1's are in the twelves with good driving a great launch

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doesn't seem that close to me

kens03cobra

We are talking fbods here right? Most of what i have read is that 99.9 percent are mid to low 13's.

Thanks for calling me a good driver with a great launch

So it IS very close, and could lean to the L depending on drivers.

tspence45

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Oh, I saw times for 99-01's. They were saying like high13's-low 14's which would be on par with an LT1. I didn't realize that the 02-04's were faster.

kens03cobra

So there is < 1 sec diff between an lt1 and ls1?


Wow, I would have thought more..


Ken

TORNATIC!!

Actually it's the opposite. Lightning's with a good launch are nasty off the line and they fall off at 80+ stock.

TORNATIC!!

In my opinion in a race between a stock Lightning and LS1 F-Bod if the Lightning gets a good launch it'll be a good race in a 1/8 type race. At 80+ though forget about it. The advantage the L has over most is FI from the factory. For not much money just a pulley swap, intake, exhaust, and tune and it's in another galaxy.

SS101

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i thought we were taking stock for stock here?? i'd think, though i've never seen it, that the advantage would shift to the ls1 at higher speeds. for three reasons (assuming an m6 fbody):

reason 1: aero...and ls1 car just HAS to be more aerodynamic than a pick up truck

reason 2: clutch vs. 'verter...a torque converter, if unlocked, is going to have parasitic drag. this is only going to be amplified at higher speeds and rmps when the converter is no longer multiplying the torque, only transfering it.

reason 3: heat soaking. an iron block and a water-to-air intercooler (2004) are going to heat soak much faster than an aluminum ls1, once again, the effects will be felt more during the later legs of a race after the engine has been operating at WOT for a while.

reason 4: i didn't mention this before because i haven't any idea how the ford's tranny is geared, but i'm pretty sure the 2004s came with 3.73s which i'm sure isn't going to help him launch or find tractoin while he's spinning, and, barring very tall 3rd and 4th gear ratios, require higher rpms to match the 3.42 geared f-body mph for mph...i'm not sure where those things redline, but it probably isnt much over 6K

SS101

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a totally stock f-body is capable of hitting 12's (obviously, if it has been done, it must be possible), i think it depends on how you your 60' is...anything over 2.0 and your just not gonna have the legs to run it back for 12 or better. ls1 f-bodys are a tad front heavy (54-46, f-b) so finding traction off the line is the hardest part, as most people will tell you. i think that's one of the biggest reasons you don't see a lot of ls1 cars in the 12s, any kind of spinning and you don't have a prayer.

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i'm not aware that i ever called you a good driver...but if i did i'm sure i meant it

kens03cobra

Well, you said a good driver could net mid 13's, that would be me.

I am not saying it is impossible, just very very unlikely to get in the 12's BONE STOCK.

Never the less, we could beat this around all day and night.

I still submit that a stock for stock race would be lots closer than you think.

ALL of the articles I have read have them in the 13's stock. But it makes me happy that we are even comparing GM's sports car to a TRUCK

Love the GM / FORD spats, keeps us all alive and kicking.


Ken

night ghost

duh with a good launch they are sick but usually from what i have seen without slicks suffer terribly in the launch

bad2000z

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This is a retarded discussion.

kens03cobra

You are absolutely right...but what is more retarded is the guy saying that a stock fbod is as fast as a stock Term...not buying that at all.

you kids have fun thinking that way


Ken

2v-in-12's

I go to the track on friday nights pretty frequently. I have yet to see a bone stock LSx in an f-body in the 12's. Not saying that it is not possible, but considering the frequency that I go, never seen it. However, I have seen a stock LSx F-bod with Nitto dr's in the 12.7 area. I also have seen, this past Friday, a stock 03 Mach with dr's run a 12.77 with a 1.82 60ft. (Good Friend). Many of the lightnings are in the 13.3 to 13.7 stock range. Again 12's possible stock just never seen it.

Arguing about who's vehicle is faster stock for stock is about as retarded as arguing over who's girl looks better without make-up. You have to need to argue about who's girl looks better right before the big night out. After the 1st mod...who cares.I have seen a lexus hybrid in the low 13's with a baby seat in it. Your car is only as fast as your wallet is deep.

And not to be called a hater or basher, I have yet to see a car in a sig on here that I would not drive

odarabla

iTrader: (1)

I'll race any AWD out of the hole and they will not kill me unless it's just a faster car!! I can do a few dry hops with my MT ET streets. I stall it up to about 2200 rpm and just launch the car. My 60ft @ the track is 1.74 on a 12.6 second pass and my car leaves just as hard on the street as it does at the track..