Irunelevens

Those are just times from one magazine test, C&P'd on their site...

tspence45

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The fastest a stock 3v has ever gone is 13.2. It's harder than hell to crack a 13.5 in one. I only know of a couple guys over on MustangForums that have done it. That's with perfect driving, with a manual. Most will run a high 13, with some even in the 14's, depending on how good of a driver they are.

Irunelevens

If I used what people "usually" ran, or only what I saw, then '03-'04 Cobras would run 13s... I go by what I know the CARS can do, not necessarily the drivers.

tspence45

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So, you'd call an LS1 a 12 second car and an LT1 a mid-high 13 second car? Because, they can do it. But, you're not going to see it too often.

Irunelevens

Like I've explained before, saying "an LS1" is retarded... there are too many variations between years/transmissions/gears. Now granted there are similar differences in S-197 Mustangs, but they aren't quite as extensive. In 2005, all cars used 3.55s... I believe 3.31s became standard in '06 with 3.55s as an option. A 3.31-geared automatic convertible '05 GT MIGHT hit a 14s pass. But any '05+ GT coupe is a mid 13s car, atleast. But you have 2.73, 3.23, and 3.42 geared LS1s, with 98-00 and 01-02 having different power outputs. Then there are the "stripper" models, and the Formulas (which weigh a bit less than Trans Ams). So there are lots of variations, and you never really know what to expect when you pull up against one on the street. Since I have personally witnessed an '02 WS6 6spd run a 12.99 @ 110mph with just a whisper lid (and an average 2.15 60' time), I consider every '01-'02 6spd F-body to be a high 12/low 13s car in the right hands. And yes, I have also said many times that LT1 F-bodies are generally mid-high 13s cars. You get the occasional 14s time, but that's usually due to lack of maintenance, the A4/2.73 combo, or an inexperienced 6spd driver.

chavez885

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Yes he does, and he is right in a way (as much as i hate to say it)

97blkz

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And your point? Just showing that they have different results and not all run 13.2's as claimed. LT1's are the same way, some run better than others.

ThisBlood147

I just love how you guys put so much effort into trying to prove how slow the new mustangs are........despite the fact that they are, on average, a half a second faster than the last gen GT's. We'll put it this way, since I frequent a number of S197 based forums. A 13.4 pass in a new GT is about on par with a 12.9 pass in an LS1 F-bod..........talking about 100% stock cars here. It's not common, but it has happened with enough frequency that it should be recognized as possible. A 13.2 or 13.3 is really a freakish event for a stock S197 GT (if it ever really happened with a bone stock car). That's just the way it is, whether any of you like it or not. Sure, most will manage high 13s in a new GT.......just as many will manage mid to low 13s in an LS1 F-bod.

Sarge_13

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THANK GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT!

04Terminator

connects? is that the name of the company that made your hood? Oh. maybe it's those things that connect your headers to your mufflers! Gotcha. Fast stuff.

kennyxg

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My car bone stock to the paper filter as ls1 guy's say, auto a-5 331 gears.

chavez885

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you trapped 98, he trapped 104..takes a good LS1 goat driver to bust a 13, what does the video prove?,roffle

97blkz

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With the right car, track, da and driver I could see it, but we are talking what does the average Mustang with Joe average driving it run?

tspence45

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Atleast you're consistant with it, I guess. It just irritates me when people try and compare one car's best time ever, to some other car's average times.

ThisBlood147

Yea, I mean its not rocket science. Either go with best possible times under ideal circumstances........or average times for your average competant driver. So, like I said......mid to high 13's for a new GT and low to mid 13's with an LS1 F-body. I think that's proper ranges to put these cars in if we wanna compare them stock for stock. As tspence said, don't compare average "idiot" driver times for one car with great driver times for the other. Cuz I can tell you I've seen 14 sec ETs from LSx cars just like I've seen 14 sec times from new GTs. But I don't take those times as gospel no matter how many times I witness them at the track (mainly cuz I know most of those guys are track noobs or just don't know how to drive their car).

Anyone who knows how to drive should be in the 13's with either of these cars.......at the minimum.

Irunelevens

He's trying to show that even the "slowest" of the S-197 cars is capable of a decent time. He wasn't trying to compare trapspeeds. No 5spd GT should ever run slower than that.

kennyxg

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Thank you IRUNELEVENS that was the only point I was trying to get across.

305 h.o.

That's just wrong man.

Irunelevens

Yep... 13.7 with an automatic 3.31-geared S197 is none-too-shabby either, sir

305 h.o.

Yea lets see how your Cobra looks in about 8 years when it starts to fall apart like the rest of them. Funny Stuff!