Cubes?

 

No way, that is so CUBES!

 

More cubes!

 

Don't rip us off, you little ******. You don't have enough cubes to have the right to say "cubes".

 

cubes

 

Seriously, 25, S.Buick dropped a gauntlet that you ain't really picked up yet.

Let's assume your apparent technology vs. displacement argument isn't a red-herring oversimplification. Let's forget that the fluid dynamics science applied to the LS-1 was some of the most sophisticated available at the time, and let's just boil it down to boost and wonder-valvetrains that slice and dice, versus cubic inches.

Your premise is that a higher specific output is innately superior, thus demonstrating the edge in what you've labeled as technology.

And because bigger engines are "lazier", with lower specific outputs, you say they don't "put their displacement to use".

I'd beg to differ. Bigger displacement engines, with engine management systems that outgun the computer power of Apollo 13, fart enough torque that you can slide them into nosebleed gears and get fuel economy competitive with that of smaller engines.

And the smaller, higher-stressed, harder-working engine often pays a price in durability and gas consumption. Consider the 3700-lb '03 Cobra - to which I'm beginning to think there's a little too much deference paid around here. The math is very simple, and you damn betcha that its specific output is higher. And for that decisive-to-marginal edge you get over whatever LS-1 or -6 you compare it with, you pay what, nearly half the fuel efficiency in 6th gear? As for reliability, well, boost still carries a stigma. Let's hope those Manley internals hold up.

Point being, sure, it's quite an accomplishment to get big power out of fewer cylinders and lower displacement. But if you can only access that power by driving in anger, and if there isn't an advantage in fuel economy as compared to a bigger engine, what's the point?

 

I'll respond for 25POS....A four cylinder engine can rev higher thus producing greater topend power. Don't forget about the boost...We can always raise the boost on a 4 cylinder to 100 pounds to compensate for the lack of ci. Besides its a Mitsubitchi Yo! Mitsubitchi's engineering is lightyears ahead of GM and Ford. That's why they sell more cars and dominate every racing class. We are also able to kill a mosquito within a 1/4 mile radius with fast burn oil technology. Name one domestic that can make 1800rwhp on stock internals never touched, just upgraded turbos and a 4" downpipe. It'll also run for 300,000 miles on the street. Typical American response stang-ex lover....

 

I call it an ugly POS You can talk about all the hp you want. Every time I'm next to one of those little rice boxes at a light they either decline, or I make chop suey out them.

 

25PSI,
Dyno numbers are being posted in the kill section? If anything, this should be in the lounge.
You really do amaze from time when it comes to education (or lack there of) of domestic vehicles. If you are reffering to an LS1 making 320 hp, you might want to read up and find that LS1 usually make around 345 hp, flywheel that is. And while it is true that little 4 cylinder motor's are coming close, if not exceeding an LS1's HP, it's really only due to forced induction, not some genius technial design making the design of the motor far superior then others. It's a slightly unfair to try to expect FI to come on strong with these cars since they come from the factory NA. Most people are going to take the NA route. If as the time that was spent on head design and camshaft profiles was put into a nice turbo/supercharger system, who knows where we would be More and more, LS1's are turning to FI. Look at Harlan, he made 700 rwhp on a stock crank w/ 15 psi on a MUSTANG dyno (he would dyno higher on a dynojet). While I do think you are knowledgable when it comes to imports, you come off in such a troll manner with your domestic bashing, import loving rhetoric that no one is going to take you seriously or care what you have to post. I am not closeminded and I do respect imports, but coming on here and posting import dyno #'s on an LS1 board is nothing short of troll behavior.

 

This is not a ***** gathering place!!!! Get out and take your POS and go to japan. I dont care if a weedeater motor had a 1000 psi boost and would make my car run 9.0s. I would'nt have it. There is nothing like the sound and rumble of a V-8 with a bad cam. I'm sick of ricers talking ****. That's it, time for me to put 25 psi on the ls1. All it takes is some forged pistons(8.5:1 CR) and it'll whip your import, and all imports from here to japan. Domestic car maufacturers are picking up on the popularity of forced induction. Soon americans will be driving AWD TT V-8's. Then what is left the ricer to do but to come back home a traitor to his country


imports

 

Not bad numbers at all for the car but mr 25 psi keeps making points and then on his next post seems to back down on those points and shoot for the mod vs stock or stock vs stock or mod vs mod, make a real arguement please. How much is an EVO with those mods... and how much boost did he make? Friends 03 cobra that spent less than $1500 on mods made 580/622 to the wheels and is running 11.0's in the 1/4 with MPH capable of 10 second passes? I also highly doubt he has to spin to 9g RPM's or higher ot make that power and to run those times

 

345? How about in the 390's with just a K&N filter.

 

Sorry for not responding sooner, but I've been inhaling nitro the last couple of days

I think my point a while back was twofold -

(1) Exactly what some others since have re-affirmed - "technology" is a term for the car rags to worry about. So who actually defines what's "high-tech" and what's not? Maybe 2V heads are more "high-tech" than 4V heads - are we basing it on which was invented first, which has more moving parts, which is lighter, or what? SuperBuick put it very eloquently, "Yes its impressive for that car to make that HP, and I think they are neat cars, but yacking about hp/liter is dumb. HP is HP, its not about your literage. At the end of the day that 2.0 mitsu is alot closer to the limit than the ls1 is at the same HP level." I think that pretty much sums up my first point.

(2) Turbos, blowers, nitrous have been around forever. There have been brave souls running these at Bonneville, on dragstrips, etc., for years. Roots-type superchargers evacuated mines in the 1800's, nitrous and turbos were used on WWII fighters - whoopee. Do you really think that there is some great discovery that powers this latest generation of little hotrods?

Again I give them their due credit, but I ain't sellin' my portfolio to buy one

Please note that I don't distinguish between import or domestic since I don't really believe that to be part of the equation (anybody notice that GM is a large stockholder in Fuji Heavy Industries?).

 

My friend ran a new EVO8 at the track (HRP) when his 01 LS1 M6 was still stock. The EVO8 put two cars on my friend out of the whole, but by the end of the 1/4 mile my friend had put 3 car lengths on the EVO. My friend ran a 13.2@110 (with a 2.2 60'), the EVO ran a 14.0@99mph. They raced a second time, and the results were the same, with the EVO getting a little slower with a 14.2@98mph.

So, I thought you said these ricers could keep up with the domestic cars? Guess not.

PS Don't be mad that we can make over 400rwhp with just a cam swap and some bolt-ons, while EVO8 owners have to spend $4,200 dollars on a new turbo and related components just to run a 13.1@105mph.

 

Hey genius, name one stock EVO8 or STI that is dynoing 320hp to the wheels, and 350ft-lbs of torque to the wheels...

REALITY CHECK: The EV08 doesn't even make that much power at the crank, much less all 4 wheels! So please tell me, what 4 cyl. cars are putting down 320whp from the factory?

BTW, for all of you who don't know, the EVO8 is rated at 270hp AT THE CRANK. I'd imagine it would be lucky to make 250hp at the wheels, or even 240hp. They typically run 14s@97mph, and SCC featured a Vishnu EVO8 WITH $4,200 IN MODS (that's enough to put an LS1 in to the 11s and even 10s, with just a H/C package), and the modified EVO only managed a 13.1@105.9mph... Stock LS1 F-Bodies are going faster then that, with many dipping into the high 12s@110.

 

None of them. That's it. Imports are bitch cars, plain and simple. The smaller the engoine, the msaller the ***** of the drtiver. **** those import cars and their fart *** exhausts.

Definitely. **** those slow *** cars, theyr unabout as fast my car did stock. I saw a kid who is a VERY good stick drive,r run his new Evo at 14.2 @ 99MPH.... tell met hat's good, and I'll kick you in your bitch *** face and call you a moron. **** impots, domestics forever.

Sory bout the spelling. This response came while I was VERY durnk. Peace.

 

hmm here i am and im not the least impressed ..ok so you wanna compare huh ? you made me open the damn 5.0 mag damn you ! page 122 of the august 2003 issue ..."first 03 cobra in the 10's" nevermind the suspension setup and all the track times this is about making 25psi look like a fool once again..this 03 cobra is stock (meaning factory from ford)...changed the pulley for 14 lbs injectors..exhaust the whole deal but anyways on to the point ...at 14 lbs this cobra makes 539rwhp on a dynojet ..wheres your evo8 now? if you wanna bring bad *** imports and try to make us think that they can compete well your gonna lose this argument everytime BUDDY oh and it weighs 3550 with driver yea and it goes 10.20 @135mph try that with an evo8...oh and another point for your dumb *** int he same magazine theres a 331ci twin screw blown GT that dyno's 393.1 rwhp and 413.6 lb-ft boosting 5.5 lbs ...can you say uh oh !
no flames intended to you ls1 guys just using what i know to prove this fool wrong once again ..hey he asked for it didnt he ? peace guys

 

http://www.chpltd.com/japanese_perfo...I_by_name.html

Sorry I haven't responded to some of your replies, like I usually do. But some unfortunate things came up in the fam.

Anyway, I won't have time to reply to all of your responces so I'll just respond to slow boy.

281! You have an IQ of a retarded penguin.

Ok thats it guys GTG. I'll respond to your comments when I return home. O 281, how does 700+hp and 630+ftlb of torque sound. Alright if you ask me. :p

 

((Motor Trend did a comparison on the cobra and sti. STI one in 1/4 mile stock and skidpad))............... Bullshit. They were payed to drive the cobra from 3rd off the line and shift to 6th at 2000 rpms or maybe just 6th off the line, Car craft july 03 issue, page 62,~13.31 @104.87,, they said Car and Driver got it to run 12.9 @111.......8/02 issue of HotRod,pg 67~~~12.93@114.50........ So quit singling 281 out and please go to a ricer site and talk about an import.

 

You know what Bullbitch78375073834787, you talk alot of ****. How about we meet up tomorrow before I leave. I want to see if you have the ***** to say what you do over in these forums. I'll meet you anywhere. Let me know!