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Old 04-29-2008, 12:24 PM
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A 224 or 228 cam is hard to hear. Espesially if they up the idle a bit.
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Maybe he should save and get himself a turbo kit then. I would if I had an turbo 4-cyl.
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yeah it wasn't real noticeable and i wasn't too sure of myself till he told me but it was there
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Originally Posted by Super28Sport
Maybe he should save and get himself a turbo kit then. I would if I had an turbo 4-cyl.
Well with cams and a big turbo he would really be pushing the internals, like i said my friends made around 470-480awhp but it was brand new and sold after running that setup for only 10kmiles. Im sure something is f-ed up on that car by now, all the beating it went through
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Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
noone here is saying a stock turbo evo cant be kinda fast, i would say deep 12s high 11s is kinda where you would need a new turbo for sure, but on roll races if you dont have a new turbo a cammed ls1 car will take them everytime
It depends on the person modding the car. Just like LS1's, some people are bent on taking mild setups as fast as possible. There are stock turbo Evo's trapping in the mid 120's, then there are some modded ones that run worse than stock. Some people know how to mod, some don't.

Cammed LS1 cars are nothing to be taken lightly though
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Evos are fun cars, but im tired of AWD turbo cars. Not to mention its the same engien as the eclipse and talon, once the evos start getting old in couple years, you wil lsee alot with 100k+miles sold for cheap with broken parts. Im not trying to be a dick and say DSMs suck, but if you put boost on any engine for 100k+miles something is gonna break.
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Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
Evos are fun cars, but im tired of AWD turbo cars. Not to mention its the same engien as the eclipse and talon, once the evos start getting old in couple years, you wil lsee alot with 100k+miles sold for cheap with broken parts. Im not trying to be a dick and say DSMs suck, but if you put boost on any engine for 100k+miles something is gonna break.
there are a few 11sec 1st gen AWD eclipses around here i like em but they can't keep them running.... evo's and sti's are probably the funnest cars i've had a chance to beat on
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Lol my legacy has almost the same engine as a STI, i find it to be fun but nothing when compared to the T/A, hell my supra was putting down 517rwhp compared to the T/As 357rwhp and i still prefered to drive and race the T/A, even with the 160rwhp loss
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well my cars a boring but friendly auto, these little m6's were a blast punching it around a corner from a stop without getting sideways.... i guess daily drivin the stock TA for 3 years has made it to predictable? i would never take one of those lil guys over a TA tho
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Originally Posted by BlackSS2001
you kinda shot yourself in the foot on this one.. You just made it clear that they need help spooling there little turbos so there for a brake boost would help them.. Look at the video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ixPRAQHfbi8&fmt=18
thats what it looked like when I raced my friends evo when he brake boosted
No, I wouldn't say that.

Let me explain again:

You shouldn't have to brake boost on the street.

A properly sized turbo will spool almost instantly.

Evos are only tiny 2.0L's, so even with a small turbo they have bad turbo lag. So brake boosting helps.

In other words, what I'm saying is I think Evos are pieces of **** seeing as they still need to brake boost even though their turbos are relatively small.
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Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru
I wish i could watch that vid, but im at work, what mods does your friends evo have? Did he beat you? What speed was it at?
He has changed his mods now he down graded.. stock turbo and exhaust.. He ran a mid to low 12 with the stock turbo on his car.

He had cams and a bigger turbo.. front mount.. exhaust.. I'm not sure on the specs. I never really cared to know them haha.
He paddled me. We went from a 50. I wanted to go lower but it wouldn't have mattered. He put about 5 cars on me. and all of that was from brake boosting because it was all from the start then I held him.

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Originally Posted by ONEBADASSWS6
No, I wouldn't say that.

Let me explain again:

You shouldn't have to brake boost on the street.

A properly sized turbo will spool almost instantly.

Evos are only tiny 2.0L's, so even with a small turbo they have bad turbo lag. So brake boosting helps.

In other words, what I'm saying is I think Evos are pieces of **** seeing as they still need to brake boost even though their turbos are relatively small.
yes but as stated the car was not stock. so it needs the brake boosting. I mean they have a bit of a hard time spooling a stock turbo then they really need help when spooling a bigger one.

All in all brake boosting helps especially with these cars
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Originally Posted by ONEBADASSWS6
No, I wouldn't say that.

Let me explain again:

You shouldn't have to brake boost on the street.

A properly sized turbo will spool almost instantly.

Evos are only tiny 2.0L's, so even with a small turbo they have bad turbo lag. So brake boosting helps.

In other words, what I'm saying is I think Evos are pieces of **** seeing as they still need to brake boost even though their turbos are relatively small.
The turbo Solistice/Sky have some noticeable turbo lag as well from what I've heard... they would benefit from brake-boosting. Does that mean that they are "pieces of ****" as well?
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
The turbo Solistice/Sky have some noticeable turbo lag as well from what I've heard... they would benefit from brake-boosting. Does that mean that they are "pieces of ****" as well?
You've heard wrong as usual troll.

They don't have "noticeable" turbo lag at all. It uses the same LNF engine as the new Cobalt SS.

It has 260ft/lbs at a very low 2,000RPM which is very impressive for a 4 cylinder. So by 2K RPM the turbo is spooling. If you consider that "lag" then you're on crack.
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Originally Posted by Robdevo
You know, just about every car group has thier dumbasses. I own an Evo




hahahaha ^^^ nothing else said
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Originally Posted by LS1nut377
Originally Posted by Robdevo
You know, just about every car group has thier dumbasses. I own an Evo

hahahaha ^^^ nothing else said
lol
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Originally Posted by LS1nut377
Originally Posted by Robdevo
You know, just about every car group has thier dumbasses. I own an Evo




hahahaha ^^^ nothing else said
I don't get it.
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Originally Posted by ONEBADASSWS6
You've heard wrong as usual troll.

They don't have "noticeable" turbo lag at all. It uses the same LNF engine as the new Cobalt SS.

It has 260ft/lbs at a very low 2,000RPM which is very impressive for a 4 cylinder. So by 2K RPM the turbo is spooling. If you consider that "lag" then you're on crack.
Well I've heard various things from various sources. Everything from "noticeable turbo lag," to, "almost no turbo lag." Depends on the situation, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Well I've heard various things from various sources. Everything from "noticeable turbo lag," to, "almost no turbo lag." Depends on the situation, I suppose.
Depends on whose driving it. Obviously its not going to have the low end punch of a V8, but its no Evo or STI, either.
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Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd
A 224 or 228 cam is hard to hear. Espesially if they up the idle a bit.
It depends what lsa and tune it has.... if it's a 224/224 110 you will know it's cammed trust me....lopes hard



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