kilgothephenom

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http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=443517

S2000's aren't slow. The LS1 is just a more powerful motor.

ta_06374

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PWNED!

Irunelevens

Ignorance is bliss

I8ASaleen

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No ignorance is ignorance. Don't play that game with me. My times may not be the best at the track, but like hell I'm gonna believe that an S2000 is a high-13's car. Maybe one of the factory freaks, but you can't say that any S2000 on the road is that. There is, as in all things, a curve by which performance is measured - and on that curve an S2000 rounds out (with the mean of drivers) to about a mid-14 car. We've been to this argument many times b4, going by statistics the very few (rouge cases) that run a 13.9 are not in the norm standard, just as 12.9 f-body's are not in the norm standard. Flawed logic is flawed logic, just b/c one car runs one time does not equate to every one of those cars being able to run said time.

LT1-DAN

I never had a problem spanking s2000's with bolt-on's from a dig when my LT1 was stock.

Irunelevens

The OP just posted a link with MULTIPLE cars going anywhere from 13.7-13.9 either bone stock, or with just a CAI. Like I've said MANY times, there are almost zero production variances between S2000s. There are no seperate models, and the tolerances are so tight that all the cars are virtually identical. So yes, they are basically all capable of running the same times. You can NOT take the "mean of drivers" into account of what the CAR is capable of running.

DoggyB22

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s2000 are yea mayb a HIGH 13's but the stock are mostly 14's...? but maybe im wrong. lets not bash on this vid or anything....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=URybOMQE2ok

Irunelevens

Yeah, most of the ones you see at the dragstrip are gonna run low-mid 14s. But that's because the margin of error with these cars is very small. You have to be spot-on to get the car to run it's best times. And not too many owners are willing to launch at 6,000-7,000rpm to run the best times. When I get a new clutch (car has 72k on it, stock clutch), I'll take it to the strip and see what I can do.

I8ASaleen

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Yes you can, in fact you have to. I know there are no "production variances" in S2000's, but that doesn't change the fact that it would take a negative DA and sub 2 second 60ft times to get one into the 13's with an excellent driver. I used to love S2000's. I did. That doesn't change the fact that they are slow and people can't drive them. I do much of my measuring on the street b/c I don't make it to the track all the time, an S2000 never ever put up a fight against my stockish LT1 and even my daily takes the cake by at least 2 cars from a dig or roll up to 80. Are there anomalies? Yes. Not the norm.

After watching that vid it further proves my point. I'm in front of both of those cars by a fair margin, say .2 which would put me at a low 14.

Irunelevens

"I beat 'xxx' car with my 'yyy' car, so 'xxx' is slower." Tell you what, you can talk to the people that have run 13.9 or better in their stock S2000s, and tell them it's impossible

lilbuddy1587

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Everyone needs to stop gaying this thread up. I'm far from an import lover and I refuse to agree with Idontrunelevens BUT in this case, the 2.0 S2000 is infact a high 13 (13.7-13.9) capable car.

Irunelevens

Thank you ... we don't have to agree on everything, but it's nice to see that there are a few people that don't ignore facts

LT1-DAN

Well, they must be racing themselves, because they sure aren't running a 13.9 or better when I am racing them.

I8ASaleen

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Ok so let me do this. I'll pull off times of stock MR2's with 1.8 60fts in negative DA in the 13's and say that I have fact of that any MR2 can run that. Complete and utter nonsense. As with any production car there are variances in output and flaws/ or factory freaks. These are not the norm how many times do I have to say this before it registers?

When speaking of a vehicle performance in the auto world is normally measured on a mean of what the cars "normally" run, not the few that run exceptional times. You said it yourself that S2000s normally run mid-low 14's at the track - that is the accepted times frame with a few exceptions.

I'm also not "ignoring" your facts, I just don't care about them. Fbody's have run high 12's, S2000's have run high 13's. Your not going to run into one of those high 13 cars on the streets anywhere around me. Haven't yet, can't foresee it happening. I can foresee running into a mid-low 14's S2000 as they are the norm

Irunelevens

Ok, so now I'd like for you to prove that all the S2000s that ran in the 13s have been in negative DAs with sub 2.0 60' times. Even a couple MAGAZINES have run 13s in them. And did you even see why I said S2000s normally run low-mid 14s at the track? It's because the people do not launch them the way the need to be launched, whether it be on purpose, or because they don't know how. You're an awfully stubborn fellow...

Edit: I'd almost go as far to say that there are more S2000s that have run 13s stock than F-bodies that have run 12s stock... atleast proportionate to how many are on the road. Here's a list on dragtimes.com of S2000s that have gone 13s stock http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes
When I did the same search for Camaros and Trans Ams, I got no results. I know they can do it, but not many people do.

I8ASaleen

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Not stubborn, I would like to see it happen. Like as in watch it with my own two eyes, not a vid of one going 14.33 (a mid-low 14 btw) and if I saw one hit a high 13 (not a magazine racer) then I would believe it, though at that point I would still want to race him b/c if he's that badass of a driver I'd like to see how I stack up. Just as I've stated before, never run into one that could even give my daily any trouble much less 13's capable. does that mean it hasn't happened? No, it just means that it is a rare occurence out of the norm. Saying that all S2000's can hit that is quite a ridiculous claim if you ask me b/c I have run into many of them. Maybe my car's run low 13's and I don't know it

(As you'll notice I have emboldened the point I'm trying to make here, it stands to reason)

Irunelevens

So you went from it being absolutely impossible, to it being rare... atleast I'm making progress

I8ASaleen

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When I speak of impossibilities I speak from a standpoint of quite literally having never witnessed said event. I hate using generalities as it oft back me into a corner where my true intentions are misunderstood. Seriously, you can show me something, but to involve a person in an event is an entirely different matter. Exposure is a quite different thing from experience.

Irunelevens

Well I've never personally witnessed a Mach 1 running low 13s stock, or an '03-'04 Cobra running 12s stock, but I know they can do it.

I8ASaleen

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Mmmmkay. Does that mean I'm gonna run into one? Doesn't that mean they are rare occurrences? Which has been my point this whole time.