kilgothephenom

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This was a race that I was glad to get in under my belt. As some of you may know, the car i previously owned was a 2001 Honda S2000. I had quite a bit done to it, but it still didn't seem to be fast unless i used nitrous (75 shot). Since i have purchased the Z28, i felt as though it was quite a bit faster than the S2000, but thought it may just be because of how much more torque it has than the Honda. So last night, i called up a buddy of mine who owns a STOCK 03 S2000, and i decided to run him. Mind you, my car is a stock A4 with 2.73's. I will be switching to 4.10's in about 5 days.

The first run was a 45mph roll. That is perfect for him to be right in VTec in 2nd gear. That's not the greatest for my A4 and puts me in 2nd gear around 3,000 RPM's. Nonetheless, i honk three times (flooring it on the 2nd honk so i can catch on the third) and we both leave right at the third honk. I IMMEDIATELY begin to pull car after car. I shut down around 110mph being around 7-8 cars or so ahead.

We only got to get one more run in because he was getting scared of cops and also knew he was going to lose so i guess he didn't want to waste his gas. I left him take the hit at 30mph, which is again, PERFECT for his first gear. He takes off, and then i floor it, waiting for my car to downshift and catch. By the time my car actually catches, he's a few cars ahead. Once i do catch, i immediately stop his pull. Once i get into 2nd, around 50, i start to walk up on him hard and by 60 i am in front of him. We shut down at around 80mph with me about 3 cars ahead.

It was nice to know that my new car is that much faster than my previous car. The 2.73's will be coming out very shortly and i will run him again just to see the difference. Since my car has no mods and also has a 2.73 equipped A4, it is about as slow as a LS1 can be, yet it is still significantly faster than the S2000. There is really no comparison. I destroyed him. He and I also weigh the same, yet i had one 230lb passenger, so i was at an even larger weight disadvantage. He knows how to drive and he got to start in VTec each time, getting the hit once. I still respect the S2000, just more for it's handling capabilities.

artist71

I also has a 2001 S2000 and then got a 2000 Firbird Formula. In stock form I would think the race for you would have been A LOT closer. I had a Lotus Exige and I raced an S2000 and killed it. And the entire time I was thinking the S2000 should have been a much closer battle. Was the driver of the S2000 very good?
I know those 4:10 will be nice...but are you sure you don't want to go with 3:73? I had them and they were nice...I hear people complain about the 4:10 a lot for daily driving.
Thanks for posting this

68birdls1

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Alot closer? Are you serious??? Dont s2000's run at the best of 14.5 range in the 1/4 stock??

Irunelevens

No... the 2.0 S2000s are capable of high 13s in the right hands/conditions. But still nowhere near a well-driven LS1, especially from a roll. Good kill OP

ta_06374

iTrader: (7)

Yah, keep telling yourself that....

Irunelevens

I've proven it time and time again... pull your head out of your ***

ta_06374

iTrader: (7)

What, because it happened once within the 9 years the car has been out, you think all of them run that? You ! There a high 14's car.....

Irunelevens

High 14s? You're just stupid claiming that. My BONE STOCK Integra GS-R ran a 14.97... please tell me why a RWD car with 70hp more can't run considerably better? Since all 2000-2003 S2000s are almost EXACTLY the same performance-wise (which cannot be said about LS1 F-bodies), if one can do it, then yes... basically all of them can. Like I said, with the right driver/conditions, they are capable of high 13s.

ballhawkdawk

I've seen him call LS1 F-bodies high 12s cars. Given that, his assessment is fair.

djsanchez2

iTrader: (14)

Nice Kill!!

FYI- 4.10's on an A4 are a bit extreme. Your top end will be shrunken down to 112mph and that's assuming a 6000rpm shift point.

With 2.73's
1st - 55mph
2nd- 104mph
3rd- 168mph
Cruising at 75mph - 1900rpm

With 4.10's
1st- 37mph
2nd- 69mph
3rd- 112mph
Cruising at 75mph - 2800rpm.

With 3.42's
1st- 44mph
2nd- 83mph
3rd- 135mph
cruising @75 - 2250rpm

With 3.73's
1st- 40mph
2nd- 76mph
3rd- 123mph
cruise @75 - 2600prm

I would go for the 3.73's or even 3.42's. Both are good upgrade while keeping streetability/gas mileage tolerable. I went with 3.42's in my A4 they seem to be the best compromise for me as it was a DD, nice lil kick in the pants too. I higher stall converter might give you that extra boost in speed, and removal the majority of the deadspots you are looking for. Say 3200-3500rpm.

Here is the link to the Calculator. You just select 98+ A4 and enter the gear ratio it tells you everything else.

Irunelevens

From what I've seen, LS1 6spds are high 12s cars with the right conditions/driver... especially the '01-'02 cars. They tend to run low-mid 13s, but almost all of them are *capable* of high 12s. Just like S2000s tend to run low-mid 14s, but almost all of them are *capable* of high 13s. And the 2.2s have gone mid-high 13s. Doesn't matter if it's with the best driver in the world, it means the CAR is capable of it.

ta_06374

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Thats pathetic my Geo storm ran a 15.3 with no traction.

Irunelevens

Stock Geo Storm ran a 15.3? Good for you. We're talking a stock 152k mile 4cyl car here, not something actually "fast." And you wanna talk about pathetic, I wouldn't ever claim owning a Geo . And how the **** do you not have any traction in a Geo Storm?

ta_06374

iTrader: (7)

+1 you can pick up a 3.42 rear next to nothing. I got one with 40k on it for $140.

whytryz28

iTrader: (28)

Ballin haha

But yea, good kill I raced a S/C Paxton i think S2000 in my 69' and left his *** by 4-5 cars, there quick cars, Fun to drive though.

ta_06374

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35+mpg F T W! It's a 1.8 dohc 140hp stock, It has a couple of bolt ons (cai, catback, ud pulley) there not as pathetic as you think. Enough to smoke stock v6 mustangs

Slvr00Bird

iTrader: (2)

+1...
I would go 3.73... That's what I've got now and loving them.. 4.10s would kill driveability as a DD and gasmileage...

Irunelevens

And my GS-R was enough to run with SN95 GTs and "smoke" V6 F-bodies and Camaros as well. When I got my '98 GT, it was BARELY faster than my GS-R.

kilgothephenom

iTrader: (14)

I've known the guy for years and he is definitely a capable driver. On top of that, i PURPOSELY started at speeds that would be perfect for his first and second gear. Therefore, his driving ability was not a factor in this race whatsoever.

Irunelevens is correct, so stop bashing him. The S2000 is capable of very high 13's (13.9) in stock form. I don't think the AP2's are capable of mid 13's, though. On average, though, the S2000 runs about a 14.2 at around 99-101 trap speed. The LS1, on average, is around a second quicker and traps about 7 mph higher.

There is nothing wrong with his car, nor is there nothing wrong with mine. As far as the gears, i do not care about gas mileage and i don't frequent the highway often. I also don't plan on ever getting a stall and if i take the car to the track, it will literally be once or twice at most. From local Charlotte owners i've spoken with, for what i'm looking for (speed only...not driveability), 4.10's seem to be perfect. If i end up not liking them, i'll throw in a set of 3.73's.

I8ASaleen

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If an S2000 runs a high 13, then my daily driver runs a mid 13. This my friend is impossible. I outrun S2000's (no matter the driver) and my car is a low 14 car at best.