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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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I read about these a while ago, not sure how they compared. I see there not too expensive for someone like me with a tight budget. Anyone on here use them and can give me some sort of an opinion? I've been searching but it seems nothing is really coming up for them.
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Ok well ive been doing some research and ive come to a problem like most. I really like the way the Eibach sportlines sit after they settle, I'm perfectly ok with driving careful because that is the look that i desire. Now my problem is that everyone says the spring rate of the sportlines wont be able to keep the car off of the bump stops and will shorten the life of the shocks. I've been looking into other brands and there are many others out there that are great but i cant seem to find one that would give me that 1.8'' drop. I dont really want to go with coilovers because they tend to be more expensive. Im also not looking to have a 1000 dollar suspension set up. I was thinking the sportline springs with tokico illumina shocks. Help please. Please refrain from the "OMG 2" DROP HAHAHA", its unnecessary. thank you
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Ok well ive been doing some research and ive come to a problem like most. I really like the way the Eibach sportlines sit after they settle, I'm perfectly ok with driving careful because that is the look that i desire. Now my problem is that everyone says the spring rate of the sportlines wont be able to keep the car off of the bump stops and will shorten the life of the shocks. I've been looking into other brands and there are many others out there that are great but i cant seem to find one that would give me that 1.8'' drop. I dont really want to go with coilovers because they tend to be more expensive. Im also not looking to have a 1000 dollar suspension set up. I was thinking the sportline springs with tokico illumina shocks. Help please. Please refrain from the "OMG 2" DROP HAHAHA", its unnecessary. thank you
Short explanation of the spring rates:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/10436831-post20.html
The rear or no better (probably worse). They are progressive and have a max rate of 137lbs/in (stock is 114lbs/in). They are rated at 1.4" lower than stock, so the stock springs compressed 1.4" would be exerting 159lbs of force per spring.
Here is a pic of the rear suspension travel on a car lowered with the Prokit (which is supposed to be .2" higher than sportlines).
http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/323...4278257_rs.jpg
You're not finding any other that give a 1.8" drop because that doesn't give our cars enough suspension travel to work right.
You might be one of the few that turn out to be happy with sportlines but you need to ask yourself, is it worth it to spend the money twice if you don't like the setup?
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 07:49 PM
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Hey, I have them with stock springs and I love the ride. I do not think they are the best for use with lowering springs, but I love my setup so far.
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So then spring/shock setup would get me closest to my goal without killing my bank account and would allow for enough suspension travle. Also, say i do end up buying the sportlines, what shocks should i buy along with them that would help out.
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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I saw a sticky earlier with all of the different companies and the effects of the lowering kits but i cant find that now?
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Just get another spring. Sportlines suck +++++ and Prokits only suck+++++. Get another spring with more rate so you won't be riding on the bump stop all day. Trust me you will HATE Sportlines.... Get better shocks before you buy springs anyway. They make a lot more diff in how your car rides overall when it comes down to it....
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 11:58 PM
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So then spring/shock setup would get me closest to my goal without killing my bank account and would allow for enough suspension travle.
If you want the best answer you should call up Sam from stranoparts.com, he'll fill you in on anything you could want to know and wont BS you or try and sell you something you don't need.
Since the "look" is the only thing you care about lowering on stock shocks wont kill you, you might just want to try a set of springs with the stock shocks and see if you can deal with it.

Also, say i do end up buying the sportlines, what shocks should i buy along with them that would help out.
This is a double edged sword. The two shocks that I know of that are supposed to work well with lowering springs are KYB's and Konis (I can tell you from experience the konis work great). But heres the catch with the shocks for you, KYB's arn't built very well and seem to break often, and when matched with lowering springs KYB will not warranty their shock, so if you go with these you may end up buying more than 1 set in the long run. Konis on the other hand are built very well and will warranty their shocks without question, but they are "out of your budget".
Keep in mind no shock can make up for really crappy spring rates and too much of a drop...

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I saw a sticky earlier with all of the different companies and the effects of the lowering kits but i cant find that now?
In the suspension sticky up top:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/suspensio...r-springs.html
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OK so looking through that post again the DMS springs and the H&R's look good as well. How come the hotchkis springs on that burgandy camaro looks alot lower than 1". What shock would you suggest other than billsteins or koni's?
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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With sportlines, you will either have to deal with hitting the bumpstops harder than wanted due to the lack of springrate for such a low spring, or overdampen the shock compression to help control the spring which is not what compression is meant for and will hurt your ride quality and handling.
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sictransit00
OK so looking through that post again the DMS springs and the H&R's look good as well. How come the hotchkis springs on that burgandy camaro looks alot lower than 1". What shock would you suggest other than billsteins or koni's?
Haven't heard anything about H&R springs, and I think DMS stopped selling springs for our cars. As for the Hotchkis they are known for being a little lower than 1". Not every car is the same (think weight) and drops will vary using the same springs because of this.
I can only tell you what I've heard/seen myself with the other shocks, and I would personally recommend Konis (wouldn't own another Fbody without them now). Above I wrote what I've seen with the KYB's, which are supposed to be only other shock for our cars that work well with lowering springs.
If you want an in depth analysis on what shocks to go with and why, I would call up Sam like I said in my previous post. You really can't go wrong with talking to a SCCA national champ (who's used all the said springs and shocks) about your car's suspension.
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What if i wanted to go with GC coilovers, would i need to do any fab work in order to get them to fit right. With this i see i would be able to set my ride height manually.
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