Duralast and Moog tie rods the same?
10-14-2009, 08:40 AM
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had i known you could find moog cheaper, i would have gotten them. my local store wanted around $80 EACH for a moog tie rod end. i went with parts masters instead. i didnt need them yet, just a preventitive maintenance. theyre not as good as moog, but the store hasnt heard anything bad about them yet. and its a real parts store, not a chain like autozone or pep boys. these guys actually know their parts and whatnot.
just looking around, you can order moog right off their site, and sometimes even cheaper at amazon. it seems all their moog parts qualify for free shipping, so now i know where ill be getting my parts from.
just looking around, you can order moog right off their site, and sometimes even cheaper at amazon. it seems all their moog parts qualify for free shipping, so now i know where ill be getting my parts from.
10-14-2009, 08:52 AM
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FYI, I get my moog replacement parts from Strano. His prices are very competitive, plus you get to talk to Sam on the phone which is always fun because I always learn something new when I talk to him.
BTW, he can get/carries a ton more stuff then he lists on his website. All you got to do is call.
BTW, he can get/carries a ton more stuff then he lists on his website. All you got to do is call.
10-15-2009, 01:30 PM
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Did you not read what he wrote? He said reduced NOT eliminated. Read. The Moog part is a quality part, it probably reduced bumpsteer greatly over the stock parts he had before. My BAER Bumpsteer tie rods however did eliminate my bumpsteer. The steering feel is incredible, however the car does track fairly noticably.
10-15-2009, 04:37 PM
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Did you not read what he wrote? He said reduced NOT eliminated. Read. The Moog part is a quality part, it probably reduced bumpsteer greatly over the stock parts he had before. My BAER Bumpsteer tie rods however did eliminate my bumpsteer. The steering feel is incredible, however the car does track fairly noticably.
YES, I read what he posted. Quite simply, replacing the worn, stock tie rods with another set of stock replacement tie rods will reduce slop or play in the steering. It will NOT change the geometry of the steering. Therefore, if a car, for instance, has been lowered, it will have a different bumpsteer curve, because the position of the tie rods, which are attached to a "hard" suspension point, will have a different arc of travel compared to the control arms.
Therefore, when the car hits a bump, the control arms are travelling in one arc, and the tie rods in another, hence you have the situation known as "bumpsteer". This has NOTHING to do with the condition of the the rods, its a function of suspension geometry.
The Baer tie rods have a means of altering the position of the tie rods with respect to the spindles, therefore their "feature" is that you can alter the "bumpsteer curve", in order to get back into the "sweet spot" that the factory designed into the front end.
10-16-2009, 12:25 AM
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YES, I read what he posted. Quite simply, replacing the worn, stock tie rods with another set of stock replacement tie rods will reduce slop or play in the steering. It will NOT change the geometry of the steering. Therefore, if a car, for instance, has been lowered, it will have a different bumpsteer curve, because the position of the tie rods, which are attached to a "hard" suspension point, will have a different arc of travel compared to the control arms.
Therefore, when the car hits a bump, the control arms are travelling in one arc, and the tie rods in another, hence you have the situation known as "bumpsteer". This has NOTHING to do with the condition of the the rods, its a function of suspension geometry.
The Baer tie rods have a means of altering the position of the tie rods with respect to the spindles, therefore their "feature" is that you can alter the "bumpsteer curve", in order to get back into the "sweet spot" that the factory designed into the front end.
Therefore, when the car hits a bump, the control arms are travelling in one arc, and the tie rods in another, hence you have the situation known as "bumpsteer". This has NOTHING to do with the condition of the the rods, its a function of suspension geometry.
The Baer tie rods have a means of altering the position of the tie rods with respect to the spindles, therefore their "feature" is that you can alter the "bumpsteer curve", in order to get back into the "sweet spot" that the factory designed into the front end.
10-16-2009, 08:38 AM
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I'm with ya here. I wondered how a parts store tierod can reduce bumpsteer without geometry changes. Something is telling me he just took slop out of the front end. If the MOOG end had a different height from stock then it would mess with the geometry of a stock car. I doubt MOOG changed the height of their ends to help out lowered car when they make up the 1% of the cars these parts would be going on.
10-16-2009, 09:10 AM
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My car is NOT lowered. What i meant was: when i go over a bump at highway speed, whether it is a pot hot, or a shitty patch job on the highway, my steering wheel doesn't "bump" over and pull my car. I guess the phrase i was looking for was it " HELPED to removed the slop" from my front suspension.
I also installed MOOG upper/lower BJ's, Upper/Lower Front Control Arm Bushings, and new GM upper strut mounts. I suppose anyone of those, or a combination help the situation.
I also installed MOOG upper/lower BJ's, Upper/Lower Front Control Arm Bushings, and new GM upper strut mounts. I suppose anyone of those, or a combination help the situation.
