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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1993 z28 f1
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Basically, the main thing it real world helps is getting rid of squeaks and flex in the front. You can see this on road race cars when they transition in sweepers to tight corners to straights.
Consider for a moment that the sheet metal you are describing as "flexing" is paper thin and largley unsupported for weight reduction. Hardly an apples to apples comparison.

A popcorn fart will dent it.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:25 PM
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keep in mind that although the STB may or may not provide much (if any) actual handling performance, it should at the very least help keep the bottom-rear portion of the front fenders (the part in between the front wheels and the start of the doors) from popping out over time and keep them properly aligned. that alone is worth the price of the bar, IMO.....especially if you drive on really bumpy roads a lot.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 02Z28LS1
keep in mind that although the STB may or may not provide much (if any) actual handling performance, it should at the very least help keep the bottom-rear portion of the front fenders (the part in between the front wheels and the start of the doors) from popping out over time and keep them properly aligned. that alone is worth the price of the bar, IMO.....especially if you drive on really bumpy roads a lot.
Actually, the only time I've seen that phenomenon is when the car is improperly lifted.

Lift arms align perfectly with the lower fender mounts and bend them flat, causing the lower section of the fender to bow out.

If yours is like that, check the lower fender attachment points. I bet they are bent flat with the bottom of the car. You'll see the bolt heads against the floor pan and the ends of bolts hanging straight down.

The solution is pound them back vertical and the bow should disappear.

I just took a picture of the Camaro currently on my lift and you can clearly see that if the arm is placed too far forward, it will contact and bend that mounting tab.

http://www.lawmotorsports.net/FCarJackPointPF.jpg

It's a common issue when tires are being replaced.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 02Z28LS1
keep in mind that although the STB may or may not provide much (if any) actual handling performance, it should at the very least help keep the bottom-rear portion of the front fenders (the part in between the front wheels and the start of the doors) from popping out over time and keep them properly aligned. that alone is worth the price of the bar, IMO.....especially if you drive on really bumpy roads a lot.
Oh really. You sure? lol
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 01:31 AM
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I just added a STB bar today, and the turns feel a little tighter. Or maybe its just me
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 03:13 AM
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Put mine on last week. Can tell it stiffened up the chassis though b/c it vibrates the steering wheel more from my wheels/tires not being balanced. Its more pronounced than before, unfortunetly its a bad thing on my end.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 03:14 AM
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Hell, I bought one of these yesterday only b/c it was new for $50 shipped.

It's powdercoated red, and I imagine aesthetics will be the only thing it'll have to offer lol...
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 07:53 AM
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I put mine on the other night...biggest benefit is now I have something solid to grab on to when I'm working in the back of the engine bay.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by libertyforall1776
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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LOL, well get those suckers BALANCED then!



Originally Posted by Snake_Skinner
Put mine on last week. Can tell it stiffened up the chassis though b/c it vibrates the steering wheel more from my wheels/tires not being balanced. Its more pronounced than before, unfortunetly its a bad thing on my end.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 12:59 PM
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Looks like this debate is STILL going on. So far, BMR is the only one to post any sort of actual number for measured deflection. Not sure how you guys did it, but why couldn't someone just make a small test rig and post some TRUE test data? It'd be simple:

All you'd need would be a "sliding" STB. One that was designed as a sort of telescoping bar. You'd mark the bar with either paint, chalk, or whatever, then go drive the damn car. You come back, open the hood, and see if there was a mark made from the bar expanding/contracting over the other side. If there is a mark then, yes, an STB will help, if no marks are seen, then there's no reason to buy one. Post the results, and the whole website profits....
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 02:08 PM
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The new debate is how much better the STB is when CUSTOMIZED?!

http://6litereaterdesigns.com/store/...roducts_id=192

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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebirdfan
Looks like this debate is STILL going on. So far, BMR is the only one to post any sort of actual number for measured deflection. Not sure how you guys did it, but why couldn't someone just make a small test rig and post some TRUE test data? It'd be simple:

All you'd need would be a "sliding" STB. One that was designed as a sort of telescoping bar. You'd mark the bar with either paint, chalk, or whatever, then go drive the damn car. You come back, open the hood, and see if there was a mark made from the bar expanding/contracting over the other side. If there is a mark then, yes, an STB will help, if no marks are seen, then there's no reason to buy one. Post the results, and the whole website profits....
Better yet ...

http://community.discovery.com/eve/f...m/f/2991937776
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by libertyforall1776
The new debate is how much better the STB is when CUSTOMIZED?!

http://6litereaterdesigns.com/store/...roducts_id=192

At least 10x better!

We actually just make ours bit thicker. Our builder/fab tech used to race NASCAR and says these do "somewhat" perform a function. (but I think he might means racing on streets, not straight line) I personally dont think they do too much, and I've had mine on almost a year now. But they sure do looks sweet, lol.

Actually in the case of a side front impact it might really help....


And if you were gonna get one, why not a custom one, right?
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by libertyforall1776
The new debate is how much better the STB is when CUSTOMIZED?!
I'll let the mechanical engineers do the homework, but I think you just introduced a nice flex point, in something you don't want to flex...
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Element
I'll let the mechanical engineers do the homework, but I think you just introduced a nice flex point, in something you don't want to flex...
If you were to hit from head on, maybe. The physics are from the sides and the plate and the welds (we WAY over weld this bad boy) are way stronger than the bar it is attached to...

Can't see it in the pics but we angle the plate slightly as well to add to the multi-angle strength.

All of our stuff like this is fabricated by CMJ Racing who have been doing suspension, body, etc... fabrication for race cars for years so they do not let anything dangerous come out of their shop. Most of the stuff is WAY over engineered...

Here's some pics after I powdered it...

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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 6LITEREATER
If you were to hit from head on, maybe. The physics are from the sides and the plate and the welds (we WAY over weld this bad boy) are way stronger than the bar it is attached to...

Can't see it in the pics but we angle the plate slightly as well to add to the multi-angle strength.

All of our stuff like this is fabricated by CMJ Racing who have been doing suspension, body, etc... fabrication for race cars for years so they do not let anything dangerous come out of their shop. Most of the stuff is WAY over engineered...

Here's some pics after I powdered it...
Oh, I don't doubt it's safe, but when you break a complete span like that, especially with flat steel between tubes, you just introduce a bigger chance of flexing. I doubt that point in the car sees enough force to distort it any, so it's really just an academic point.
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Old Jul 30, 2010 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
There it is. If we wanted to put this debate to rest, someone could do a mythbusters test. I'm pretty sure someone could come up with a test to measure how much the mounting points flex. Run a test from somewhat spirited street driving, to a track test, to a hardcore drag race setup car.

For all I know this was already done..
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Old Jul 30, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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get one! they definitely make a difference when doing hard cornering at speed. If your drag racing don't think you'll need em. They prevent tower deflection -Keeps the front tires planted & tighten up the front end. Not and expensive item IMO.
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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has anyone built one that triangulates the STB it to the firewall? that would make it wayy stiffer .. i know it would be difficult to do because the firewall is so far back but i am jw.
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