SSCamaro99_3

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I said I drove my NT-05 in the rain. They were fine. I also did not expect them to be stellar, and never purchased them with that in mind. If someone is looking to purchase the NT-05, it should be viewed as a high performance dry tire, that will get you by in the rain. It is by no means a 3 season tire, and if that is what you want it should not be on your shopping list.

A few things to consider: The PS2 has 9.5/32nds compared to 7/32nds on the NT-05. If it does not have better hydroplane resitance and wear longer, then Michelin has royally screwed up. Physics is on their side from the beginning. In addition the PS2 is a $260 compared to a $160 tire. If it was not a better tire in just bout every respect, Michelin should again be ashamed. In my opinion, the NT-05 is a perfectly acceptable choice for people that want high grip, expect to only drive in decent weather, and really are not heartbroken about wear. I know these will do beeter than my drag radials that I ahad on for 6 years, so I am satisfied with treadwear on that front. My point basically is that directly comparing the PS2 and NT-05 is a rather insignificant excercise, as they are not really competitors. The NT-05 is basically a budget friendly alternative for pople that can not/ or do not want to spend Michelin money.

The Direzza is not available in 275/40/17. So for my purposes they were never an option. They very well may be better, but do not help me.

libertyforall1776

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PS2 (82 of 100, 20k tread wear warranty) and PSS (90 of 100, 30k tread wear warranty) are different level tires… I never mentioned the PS2 in my previous posts.


NT 05 vs. PS2 well the NT 05 is slightly better in wet braking but the PS2 is tops in hydroplaning, and they both suck in tread wear -- I got right about 20k out of my previous 275/40/17 PS2s. PS2s are also better in rolling resistance, noise and ride quality. Personally I would look at the BFG g-Force Sport COMP-2s over the above two, and that's what I put on my RS (275/40/17)…

With tires, you do often get what you pay for.

38DD2436

Nexen 3000

38DD2436

All 4 tires let lose around a corner and hit a dip in the road, caught the rear tire and the passenger side came up off the ground.

38DD2436

The SFC's are welded. And everything is poly. The lower A arms are roto joints

38DD2436

There is no push or over steer. The car stays level. It handles like a go kart

nitroheadz28

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Now that sounds like a good time!

Man I wish I could take a ride in a car like yours, I've never been in an f-body with full suspension and would love to see how they handle properly set up so I can decide if I should keep building mine or sell for a Miata or something more nimble lol.

A bunch of Fiero guys I cruise with are doing their next cruise starting from Phillipsburg NJ on August 31st, its a lot of fun on some amazing twisty+ fast backroads and all GM sports cars are welcome. PM me if interested in coming out, I'd love to drool over your car! Anyone else is welcome!

38DD2436

Looks like better tires and maybe some wheels in the near future for me. And I'll slow down...
But it's hard to resist

leadfoot4

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BINGO!!!




You want to drive like that, take it to the track!!

00MaroonZ28

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Quit driving like an *******.

38DD2436

I wouldn't go that far^^. I'm not into road rage or being disrespectful to other drivers. I usually drive in the middle or slow lanes. Just like to push it when the time is right. BTW I never got into name calling. It'd too easy to lower myself by doing that

FAD2BLK93

Im with JakeFusion on the Toyo's, BEST DAMN TIRES I HAVE RUN! I can understand driving HARD in the corners, i do it myself when the time is right. Just sounds like the car is outperforming the rubber. There is always a limit before the car spins out! You have to find that balance!!!

Midnight02

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Sounds like you're driving it a little hot for the street (my own $.02), however the tires appear to be your only limitation.

I run Nitto 555R II's on the street and the track and LOVE them. Not friendly in the rain or when cold, however if you're only driving the car on nice, sunny days I believe you would love the traction improvement. The Toyo R888's also seem to offer similar performance (great dry traction, bearable in the rain and similar durability).

38DD2436

I've got almost new Nitto 555's on my DD. Doin the swap this weekend.

cmac06

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Try the Michelin Pilot SS. It's a good dry tire, and runs fairly good in the rain. Switched from Goodyear to these, and very happy. They are also pretty quiet for a HP tire.

libertyforall1776

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THIS I drove them in strong rain and they were glued during lane changes and acceleration -- amazing to me how good they felt on wet roads. Dry traction is excellent, as is handling -- could not be happier. I switched from regular Pilot Sports to these.

Sam Strano

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To be honest I'm not really 100% sure of what the issue is. Seems like he's lacking grip based on what was said, but then I read this "All 4 tires let lose around a corner and hit a dip in the road, caught the rear tire and the passenger side came up off the ground." The first part indicates a lack of grip, the second is something else entirely.

First the tires *SUCK*. The suspension is FAR more capable than those tires are. Second there are any number of tires you could put on that are much better. Many mentioned are great, but to be honest I think I'd recommend Continental DW. Ride nice, quiet, AWESOME in the rain, 320 TW, and have dry grip up there with a Michelin PSS, Comp T/A 2, less than Direzza Z2's and some others that are really more race tires (there is a tire war in autocross that is driving a lot of the 200 TW tires to be more comp than street).

I get the sense that the rear LCA's are all poly and either boxed or tubular? You say you have roto-joint A-arms, but not LCA's. Well that's a bind which doesn't let the axle follow the road without dragging the car along with it. LCA bracket make this somewhat worse too. In fact one of the reasons I don't care to run LCA brackets on lowered cars is without them the car has more roll understeer which makes it more stable.

Also, if you are running high pressures, stop. 30 in the back, 30-34 in front depending on the feel. Air pressure adds spring rate to a tire, which can make it more skittery this is only make worse when the compound has no grip to start with, like NEXEN tires.

38DD2436

Yes, the LCA's are poly, tubular. Thanks for the tip. Ordering Roto LCA's next week. For Sale: UMI tubular LCA'S, brackets and hardware kit. Less than 800 miles.

libertyforall1776

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For sake of discussion, Consumer Reports rates the Continental Extreme Contact DWs at 80 of 100, a full ten points less than Michelin PSS, not that CR is the be all end all, but a useful data point… Here is their breakdown:

Michelin PSS 90 of 100 by CR; 30k mi. tread wear warranty, 300 tread wear rating, AA traction rating, A temp rating

• Excellent Dry Braking
• Excellent Dry Handling
• Excellent Wet Braking
• Very Good Wet Handling
• Excellent Hydroplaning
• Very Good Ride
• Good Noise
• Very Good Rolling resistance
• Very Good Tread life

Continental Extreme Contact DW 80 of 100 by CR; NO tread wear warranty, 340 tread wear rating, AA traction rating, A temp rating

• Excellent Dry Braking
• Very Good Dry Handling
• Very Good Wet Braking
• Very Good Wet Handling
• Excellent Hydroplaning
• Good Ride
• Very Good Noise
• Good Rolling resistance
• Fair Tread life

"there is a tire war in autocross that is driving a lot of the 200 TW tires to be more comp than street" I am not sure what this means? That some lower TW tires are more competitive on the track than street tires?


FYI to the OP, there are also some basic ratings here:
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shop...s/Tires+Rating

z28bryan

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You ever think of trying an autox or getting into some kind of track event? You'll become a better driver much faster by going to one of those and probably have a lot more fun. Sorry.. went on a tangent, but I suggest giving it a try.