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Hey guys. Can you all take off you skirts please. Jesus Christ
OMG SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT SOMETHING THEY BUILT... I BETTER FREAK OUT AND MAKE THAT COMPANY KNOW IM MAD EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT INVOLVED!!!!
I mean seriously, gah damn.
OMG SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT SOMETHING THEY BUILT... I BETTER FREAK OUT AND MAKE THAT COMPANY KNOW IM MAD EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT INVOLVED!!!!
I mean seriously, gah damn.
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When you ruffle my feathers you get the bird,
It's all good maybe you are seeing something different,anytime you cut metal with heat it will cause slack also known as brittle metal, I haven't had the pleasure with cutting with laser so don't know but surely he wouldn't lie about what he uses, haven't seen many complaints about their products
It's all good maybe you are seeing something different,anytime you cut metal with heat it will cause slack also known as brittle metal, I haven't had the pleasure with cutting with laser so don't know but surely he wouldn't lie about what he uses, haven't seen many complaints about their products
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From: louisiana
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Your post? GOD DAMN didn't know you controlled what happened in a thread just cause you made it!
First off. They said nothing to you. You were just being a pansy *** because you felt like it was a chance to shame a company that in my opinion didn't do anything wrong.
Second. You asked what the difference was. I will read for you.
The BMR sales tech you felt ruffled your feathers, when he said nothing directly to you. (In and of itself makes you look like a God damn bitch)
He has 40 trader ratings. That's not easy to achieve. People almost NEVER post positive ratings. He has 40.
He also has 2,000+ posts.
Founders sales tech. Has 1 trader rating. 1.
And 155 posts.
2000+ > 155
40 > 1
SIMPLE.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE.
THIRD !
When you're buying something and someone shows you a picture of what they say duck and it's not a duck, then when questioned, shows a picture of a duck.
THATS A TAD BIT ODD YEAH?
Ok I'm done because my point is as clear as the ten commandments, WHICH I PROBABLY BROKE WRITING THIS POST.
First off. They said nothing to you. You were just being a pansy *** because you felt like it was a chance to shame a company that in my opinion didn't do anything wrong.
Second. You asked what the difference was. I will read for you.
The BMR sales tech you felt ruffled your feathers, when he said nothing directly to you. (In and of itself makes you look like a God damn bitch)
He has 40 trader ratings. That's not easy to achieve. People almost NEVER post positive ratings. He has 40.
He also has 2,000+ posts.
Founders sales tech. Has 1 trader rating. 1.
And 155 posts.
2000+ > 155
40 > 1
SIMPLE.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE.
THIRD !
When you're buying something and someone shows you a picture of what they say duck and it's not a duck, then when questioned, shows a picture of a duck.
THATS A TAD BIT ODD YEAH?
Ok I'm done because my point is as clear as the ten commandments, WHICH I PROBABLY BROKE WRITING THIS POST.
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So back to the original question.
Speaking for UMI, At our facility a product is first designed by an "in house" team consisting of engineers,draftsman, sales/tech, racers and a few others that are employed by the company. We then build a proto-type which is installed on one of our house cars and usually raced or put through the "ringer" so that we can assure it will hold up to extreme abuse.
After we are satisfied with the product we then begin the process of production which consists of raw U.S. material being cut whether it's by one of our saws or our Laser Cutter, then depending on the product it could go to our bending dept., our machining dept. or one of our 7 welders, or all of them. After that it goes to our sand blasting dept. then to our powder coat booth.
I'm pretty sure whether it's UMI, BMR, Founders or any other suspension manufacturer sponsor on this site you will get a quality product that is much better than the factory components.
I think where the difference in price comes in is that some companies go about the manufacturing process in different ways. None of these processes are wrong some just take more overhead to achieve.
Craig
Speaking for UMI, At our facility a product is first designed by an "in house" team consisting of engineers,draftsman, sales/tech, racers and a few others that are employed by the company. We then build a proto-type which is installed on one of our house cars and usually raced or put through the "ringer" so that we can assure it will hold up to extreme abuse.
After we are satisfied with the product we then begin the process of production which consists of raw U.S. material being cut whether it's by one of our saws or our Laser Cutter, then depending on the product it could go to our bending dept., our machining dept. or one of our 7 welders, or all of them. After that it goes to our sand blasting dept. then to our powder coat booth.
I'm pretty sure whether it's UMI, BMR, Founders or any other suspension manufacturer sponsor on this site you will get a quality product that is much better than the factory components.
I think where the difference in price comes in is that some companies go about the manufacturing process in different ways. None of these processes are wrong some just take more overhead to achieve.
Craig
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So back to the original question.
Speaking for UMI, At our facility a product is first designed by an "in house" team consisting of engineers,draftsman, sales/tech, racers and a few others that are employed by the company. We then build a proto-type which is installed on one of our house cars and usually raced or put through the "ringer" so that we can assure it will hold up to extreme abuse.
After we are satisfied with the product we then begin the process of production which consists of raw U.S. material being cut whether it's by one of our saws or our Laser Cutter, then depending on the product it could go to our bending dept., our machining dept. or one of our 7 welders, or all of them. After that it goes to our sand blasting dept. then to our powder coat booth.
I'm pretty sure whether it's UMI, BMR, Founders or any other suspension manufacturer sponsor on this site you will get a quality product that is much better than the factory components.
I think where the difference in price comes in is that some companies go about the manufacturing process in different ways. None of these processes are wrong some just take more overhead to achieve.
Speaking for UMI, At our facility a product is first designed by an "in house" team consisting of engineers,draftsman, sales/tech, racers and a few others that are employed by the company. We then build a proto-type which is installed on one of our house cars and usually raced or put through the "ringer" so that we can assure it will hold up to extreme abuse.
After we are satisfied with the product we then begin the process of production which consists of raw U.S. material being cut whether it's by one of our saws or our Laser Cutter, then depending on the product it could go to our bending dept., our machining dept. or one of our 7 welders, or all of them. After that it goes to our sand blasting dept. then to our powder coat booth.
I'm pretty sure whether it's UMI, BMR, Founders or any other suspension manufacturer sponsor on this site you will get a quality product that is much better than the factory components.
I think where the difference in price comes in is that some companies go about the manufacturing process in different ways. None of these processes are wrong some just take more overhead to achieve.
This. While I can't positively speak for any competitors, I can walk outside my office door and take picture of your parts being bent, welded, assembled and powdercoated here in the same building. From raw material to finished product, we do it all in house using all US high grade steel.
We also have staff familiar with every platform of vehicle we sell parts for that know the cars and products and know how to make your car work and what products suit your needs best
We also have staff familiar with every platform of vehicle we sell parts for that know the cars and products and know how to make your car work and what products suit your needs best
Shall I post the pics of the QUALITY of the powdercoating that I have received from BMR?
I mean I did get a new "upper control arm" for the one.
Other one is crappy
Lower control arms are not the greatest either
Attachment 720716
All Founders here with no problems- except for the awesome UMI torque arm relocation bracket.
Just picked up Founder's 3 piece LCAs and relocation brackets so maybe I can hope to have a bit more traction.
I have been around metal working and fabrication processes a long time. Many years before working here. My point in my original post was the tubes pictured were not laser cut as they were claimed to be. I don't care who posted it, I would have called it out the same. There are several identifying facts to point out on the tubes. You can tell just by comparing the first picture that was post to the second. The second is indeed laser cut
First, laser cutting leaves a trace line of discoloration from the heat. The first picture, the color is even all the way to the end of the tube and through the cut.
Second, laser leaves a very smooth, clean cut with minimal to no slag. The first picture shows large burrs, and the cut shows striations characteristic of a mill or hole saw cut.
To me, it's not so much about what process was used. We use the mill/hole saw notching methods here ourselves. There's nothing wrong with it. My point was just don't claim it's laser cut when it clearly isn't. Maybe someone just posted the wrong picture, I don't know.
Sure. If you are not happy with your products, I normally recommend contacting me first directly though. I can usually get you squared away. Its not very often, but sometimes we do have some inconsistency in our process due to the volume of stuff we handle on a daily basis. But feel free to Shoot me an e-mail and I will take a look at what you've got and see what I can do.
Eric@bmrsuspension.com
First, laser cutting leaves a trace line of discoloration from the heat. The first picture, the color is even all the way to the end of the tube and through the cut.
Second, laser leaves a very smooth, clean cut with minimal to no slag. The first picture shows large burrs, and the cut shows striations characteristic of a mill or hole saw cut.
To me, it's not so much about what process was used. We use the mill/hole saw notching methods here ourselves. There's nothing wrong with it. My point was just don't claim it's laser cut when it clearly isn't. Maybe someone just posted the wrong picture, I don't know.
Sure. If you are not happy with your products, I normally recommend contacting me first directly though. I can usually get you squared away. Its not very often, but sometimes we do have some inconsistency in our process due to the volume of stuff we handle on a daily basis. But feel free to Shoot me an e-mail and I will take a look at what you've got and see what I can do.
Eric@bmrsuspension.com
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Seriously we gotta stop posting about founders lol... everytime we do it turns into a ****ing pissing contest.
First it was MWC and Founders, now it's BMR and Founders.
Props to UMI for actually being respectful to everyone else.
OP, I can't say for certain WHY founders is much cheaper, but I have yet to see a single complaint from anybody about that company, not with their customer service or the quality of their components.
First it was MWC and Founders, now it's BMR and Founders.
Props to UMI for actually being respectful to everyone else.
OP, I can't say for certain WHY founders is much cheaper, but I have yet to see a single complaint from anybody about that company, not with their customer service or the quality of their components.
Roll forming, tool and die, manual and cnc machining, and general fabrication and welding. Did some pipeline welding for awhile. That was no fun.
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