New Item: Strano Performance Parts Master Cylinder Brace for all 93-02 cars - Page 4 - LS1TECH



Suspension & Brakes Springs | Shocks | Handling | Rotors

New Item: Strano Performance Parts Master Cylinder Brace for all 93-02 cars

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-27-2017, 08:06 PM   #61
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (12)
 
Snake_Skinner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: In front of a mustang
Posts: 1,073
Default

Sucks for us Hotchikis STB guys, theres literally what 3 different stb's that go on these cars: a tubular style, Hotchikis, and 3-point style that probably nobody has so basically tubular and hotchikis really. Thats a big oversight imo, i mean think theres lots of guys running them and your missing out on all that money. Do it once and do it right. Well if i ever get rid of mine ill buy one.
Snake_Skinner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2017, 06:13 AM   #62
TECH Addict
iTrader: (6)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Piscataway, NJ
Posts: 2,113
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Strano View Post
I see you have stainless lines. Thoughts on this vs. those in terms of improvement in feel? I think the brace is by far more noticeable assuming the car with rubber lines had decent fluid in it to start with.
I'd say the brace made much more of an improvement in brake feel than stainless lines. This was night and day versus doing the lines which was an improvement but not a world of difference.
Blackbirdws6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2017, 11:36 AM   #63
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake_Skinner View Post
Sucks for us Hotchikis STB guys, theres literally what 3 different stb's that go on these cars: a tubular style, Hotchikis, and 3-point style that probably nobody has so basically tubular and hotchikis really. Thats a big oversight imo, i mean think theres lots of guys running them and your missing out on all that money. Do it once and do it right. Well if i ever get rid of mine ill buy one.
This is a common issue when building parts. You just can't realistically make something that fits everything. And why Hotchkis made that bar to bolt on that way (more complicated, more parts, more cost) is kind of beyond me. In my experience far fewer folks have the tubular type and the Hotchkis type and I have to consider that.

Now, I looked at redoing the mount to accommodate, but frankly their bracket takes up a lot of room and it just isn't in the cards.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2017, 11:37 AM   #64
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
I'd say the brace made much more of an improvement in brake feel than stainless lines. This was night and day versus doing the lines which was an improvement but not a world of difference.
That is what I thought and what others are reporting as well. Particularly the night and day difference.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2017, 07:53 PM   #65
On The Tree
 
Boxxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Springville, AL
Posts: 177
Default

Looks like I was right back in October in your "Oops I" thread. Sigh, something else to add to my never ending list of things to buy. Thanks a lot. Also for those that might be questioning it master cylinder braces have been around for cars like the Miata for ages now and have been proven successful, honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to come out with one for the F-body but I'm glad they did.
Boxxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 06:03 AM   #66
UNDER PRESSURE MOD
iTrader: (19)
 
The Alchemist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Doylestown PA
Posts: 10,718
Default

I drove my car now since adding the brace, and the difference was night and day. I have 4-piston brembos from a 5th gen camaro on my car, and the brake pedal actually surprised me the first time I jumped on the brakes.

Call me crazy, but I think the clutch pedal got firmer at the top of the travel as well. It would make sense that if the brace is supporting the master cylinder, it's bracing the firewall as well, so maybe it did help a little bit with the clutch pedal as well.

As far as the Hotchkis bar, haven't we already determined that STB's are really just appearance items?
The Alchemist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 08:44 AM   #67
12 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 4,768
Default

"haven't we already determined that STB's are really just appearance items?"

After 16 years on this site and real world experience, yes.
Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 09:00 AM   #68
12 Second Club
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 136
Default

My brace was suppose to be here yesterday but got bumped until today. My brother was over the other day so just for s & g's we took turns stomping on the brake pedal. Mine was nowhere near the movement that was shown in the earlier video. It maybe moved up 1/4" and at the most 1/2". Currious to see how it will feel as any movement to me would seem like a bad thing for brake feel.
Chrisingermany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 02:23 PM   #69
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxxx View Post
Looks like I was right back in October in your "Oops I" thread. Sigh, something else to add to my never ending list of things to buy. Thanks a lot. Also for those that might be questioning it master cylinder braces have been around for cars like the Miata for ages now and have been proven successful, honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to come out with one for the F-body but I'm glad they did.
Been on the radar for a while, but not having a car I kind of forgot how much the flex was, and also didn't have a car to fit things on either. Having gotten the SS, it confirmed or reminded me of my recollection, and allowed me to have control over the design and fit on my own car.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 02:24 PM   #70
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrisingermany View Post
My brace was suppose to be here yesterday but got bumped until today. My brother was over the other day so just for s & g's we took turns stomping on the brake pedal. Mine was nowhere near the movement that was shown in the earlier video. It maybe moved up 1/4" and at the most 1/2". Currious to see how it will feel as any movement to me would seem like a bad thing for brake feel.
I think you'll find at least the pedal to be firmer and move 1/4" to 1/2" less than it does now.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 05:21 PM   #71
On The Tree
 
Boxxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Springville, AL
Posts: 177
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viper View Post
"haven't we already determined that STB's are really just appearance items?"

After 16 years on this site and real world experience, yes.
Well considering they're shock towers and not strut towers, yes tower bars are pretty much entirely useless on fourth gens. MCB is a monumentally better buy for the money.
Boxxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 05:48 PM   #72
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

I would agree the Brake brace is certainly a more tangible improvement. However there is some feel that comes from a STB. The car isn't a piece of billet and the older they get the structure isn't becoming any stiffer.

I also agree that the car having shocks and not struts makes the STB's less effective in comparison than on say a 3rd gen, or any strut car where a lot more load it put through the tower.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 06:06 PM   #73
12 Second Club
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 136
Default

Just finished the install.
I was happy that the extra plate was provided as it now allows my STB to clear the fast 102mm intake.





Chrisingermany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 06:09 PM   #74
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Well now there's a positive.

Let us know how the brakes feel!
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 10:23 PM   #75
scj
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (83)
 
scj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,929
Default

How about killing 2 birds with one stone and designing a STB with the brake brace built into it. Maybe allowing for a less bolt together design. Just a thought.

I think the brace is a great idea, it just seems overly bulky for what it's doing imo. I know I know. Function> looks, but both are important on my car.
scj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2017, 10:50 PM   #76
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: CA
Posts: 689
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scj View Post
How about killing 2 birds with one stone and designing a STB with the brake brace built into it. Maybe allowing for a less bolt together design. Just a thought.

I think the brace is a great idea, it just seems overly bulky for what it's doing imo. I know I know. Function> looks, but both are important on my car.
x2

seems like it would be easy to have UMI integrate the brake brace onto the STB

a company by the name of "CARBING" makes their STB with an integrated brake brace for import cars
bigsticksupra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2017, 07:57 AM   #77
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (77)
 
UMI Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Philipsburg, Pa
Posts: 5,400
Default

The brace and 102 above looks awesome! Nice work and good to know.

As far as the effectiveness of a STB... I actually believe they are more beneficial than many of us think. Are you going to install it and say 'Wow what a difference!' no, but can it protect and reinforce the car, I believe so.

What brings me to this theory is a few cars we have had to jack the car up by the center of the k-member to let the suspension unload and relax the towers to get the brace on. I actually think Sam's old car might have been like this too?

It could be factory tolerances or it could be stress. Just a thought.
UMI Performance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2017, 10:34 AM   #78
12 Second Club
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 136
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scj View Post
How about killing 2 birds with one stone and designing a STB with the brake brace built into it. Maybe allowing for a less bolt together design. Just a thought.

I think the brace is a great idea, it just seems overly bulky for what it's doing imo. I know I know. Function> looks, but both are important on my car.
I think the brace looks awesome the way it is. I guess if you were planning on buying a STB and the addition of the brake brace might be an added bonus, but I like the big stout look this brace has.

Quote:
Originally Posted by UMI Performance View Post
The brace and 102 above looks awesome! Nice work and good to know.

As far as the effectiveness of a STB... I actually believe they are more beneficial than many of us think. Are you going to install it and say 'Wow what a difference!' no, but can it protect and reinforce the car, I believe so.

What brings me to this theory is a few cars we have had to jack the car up by the center of the k-member to let the suspension unload and relax the towers to get the brace on. I actually think Sam's old car might have been like this too?

It could be factory tolerances or it could be stress. Just a thought.
Thanks! I was chatting with someone from UMI the other day and was about to just buy some plates to go under the STB to clear the intake. This piece did just what the plates would have done, so it was a added bonus.
Chrisingermany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2017, 12:18 PM   #79
LS1TECH Sponsor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (41)
 
Sam Strano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Brookville, PA
Posts: 8,852
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scj View Post
How about killing 2 birds with one stone and designing a STB with the brake brace built into it. Maybe allowing for a less bolt together design. Just a thought.

I think the brace is a great idea, it just seems overly bulky for what it's doing imo. I know I know. Function> looks, but both are important on my car.
Because is makes no sense when this is modular. A STB with a MC brace means you have to now carry 3 parts instead of 2. And exactly what would be different?

Looks are subjective to start with. You don't like the look of it, ok. As for being bulky, well the idea is that it needs to be strong. But that said, it fits in a 6"x6"x6" box with room to spare when I ship them. It isn't huge.

And again, nobody is telling you to not run the STB. And if you willing to change to some sort of intergrated STB/MC brace, they why not just change STB to run the MC brace *if* you have a STB that won't work like Hotchkis.

The logic seems to be make exactly what you want. And while I get that, it's not that simple when you run a business and have to make a case for product to exist.
Sam Strano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2017, 05:25 PM   #80
Staging Lane
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 83
Thumbs up

Got mine put on today, haven't had a chance to try it out yet but it was easy peasy to install.


y2keglide is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camaro SS project update Sam Strano Suspension & Brakes 91 03-31-2017 06:32 PM
Strano Performance 4 Piston/12.8" rotor brake kits starting @ $999.00 Sam Strano Suspension & Brakes 27 03-27-2017 01:26 PM
4-piston front brake kits with rotors, lines, pads... $999-$1199 Sam Strano Suspension & Brakes 58 12-24-2015 02:31 AM
Strano Performance Website changes... Sam Strano Suspension & Brakes 5 12-08-2009 03:03 AM
I made up my mind LSGunZ28 Suspension & Brakes 12 12-28-2006 10:53 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:22 PM.


 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
What's your question?
Send