Stock SS wheels. Best brakes?
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Stock SS wheels. Best brakes?
Is the C5 rotor really worth it? It's a street car. And I like my ZR1 wheels. Hasn't been on a drag strip in years and I want the best all around set up. I did put new OEM front calipers on before I parked it a couple years ago (Had been ground down to clear pro stars) Brembo blanks don't seem to be readily available anymore? Hawk HPS pads still the go to for street use? I am way out of touch with this stuff. (Baby, new house and marriage took over for a bit)
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Lots of options. There actual better brakes, like with 4 piston calipers that fit under 17" wheels. I have a 12.8" kit with 4 piston calipers, stainless lines, and rotors for $999. It fits C5Z wheels by a mile. I do need some spacer on '98 ZR1 style SS wheels, but the later 10 spokes would need less (maybe none, haven't actually tried that wheel).
We can also do a nice set of rotors and pads, maybe SS lines too. Trouble is in the end, the 2 piston caliper is a design that twists (not open so much as on the vertical axis), which is where the angled pad wear comes from. And that funny angle shows you that you are not maximizing the brakes. And all 2 piston stuff does it, LS1, C5 doesn't matter.
We can also do a nice set of rotors and pads, maybe SS lines too. Trouble is in the end, the 2 piston caliper is a design that twists (not open so much as on the vertical axis), which is where the angled pad wear comes from. And that funny angle shows you that you are not maximizing the brakes. And all 2 piston stuff does it, LS1, C5 doesn't matter.
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I don't know that a 4 piston set up would really work in this instance. I guess it would depend on how much of a spacer it would need. Any more than a 5/16 and it sticks out to far for my taste. I do have stainless lines. I have hawk HPS pads already too but I think I glazed them up chasing a brake issue (bad check valve at the booster) I'll have to see if they're saveable when I pull it apart. Which rotor would you recommend on your site Sam? And stick with the stock size or going with the C5?
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Definitely more than 5/16". But I look at my car with the spacer I run, which is more than is required, with the 5 spoke wheels and it sure doesn't stick out at all.
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Last edited by Sam Strano; 03-01-2017 at 06:05 PM.
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I don't know that a 4 piston set up would really work in this instance. I guess it would depend on how much of a spacer it would need. Any more than a 5/16 and it sticks out to far for my taste. I do have stainless lines. I have hawk HPS pads already too but I think I glazed them up chasing a brake issue (bad check valve at the booster) I'll have to see if they're saveable when I pull it apart. Which rotor would you recommend on your site Sam? And stick with the stock size or going with the C5?
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Depends on what you want from it, what you want to spend and how you drive. I just swapped on some DBA's in place of the Stoptech that were there as with high heat there wasn't enough mass for their metalurgy. Had issues I don't have with the Best rotors (which do cost a bit more). I went DBA on my car simply because the car sees a lot of track time and they are some 3 pounds more each, all of which is a better heat sink.
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All understood. The rub is with the thing I hear a lot from folks looking for performance, then follow it up with "I don't race the car". I get that too, except the car has no idea where it is, and stopping the car from a high speed involves the very same set of physics.
I mean the car does not weigh less on the street. The calipers don't twist less, etc. So it's a cost/benefit analysis. I understand that, but that has to be how to think of it.
I think a MC brace and some new pads with maybe more bite (we have them) could well suit your needs. But the way brakes work is always a system and a large issue with the soft pedal is the firewall flex, but also the way the calipers move and twist too. The result is the sum of the parts.
I mean the car does not weigh less on the street. The calipers don't twist less, etc. So it's a cost/benefit analysis. I understand that, but that has to be how to think of it.
I think a MC brace and some new pads with maybe more bite (we have them) could well suit your needs. But the way brakes work is always a system and a large issue with the soft pedal is the firewall flex, but also the way the calipers move and twist too. The result is the sum of the parts.
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All understood. The rub is with the thing I hear a lot from folks looking for performance, then follow it up with "I don't race the car". I get that too, except the car has no idea where it is, and stopping the car from a high speed involves the very same set of physics.
I mean the car does not weigh less on the street. The calipers don't twist less, etc. So it's a cost/benefit analysis. I understand that, but that has to be how to think of it.
I think a MC brace and some new pads with maybe more bite (we have them) could well suit your needs. But the way brakes work is always a system and a large issue with the soft pedal is the firewall flex, but also the way the calipers move and twist too. The result is the sum of the parts.
I mean the car does not weigh less on the street. The calipers don't twist less, etc. So it's a cost/benefit analysis. I understand that, but that has to be how to think of it.
I think a MC brace and some new pads with maybe more bite (we have them) could well suit your needs. But the way brakes work is always a system and a large issue with the soft pedal is the firewall flex, but also the way the calipers move and twist too. The result is the sum of the parts.
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Stock is certainly cheaper and if you were to go C5, then I'd definitely do the extra bit to the 4 piston setup. Very little more in the sum total for way better caliper design.
But if you are wanting to stay with a 2 piston, then you are best off IMHO with a better pad with more bite, and a brace. If you need rotors we can do those too, but they won't offer any performance per se to the deal.
But if you are wanting to stay with a 2 piston, then you are best off IMHO with a better pad with more bite, and a brace. If you need rotors we can do those too, but they won't offer any performance per se to the deal.
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#12
c7 brembo brakes
Heres my setup. They are great brakes and offer a lot of pad options. Stock corvette c7 calipers and rotors. The rotor hub bore and offset is correct for the ls1 fbody. Only thing needed was to bore hub mounting holes to 14mm/9/16'' to accept the new brembo calipers - also required on other setups. Cadillac ats 4 piston brembos are identical to the base JL9 calipers on the c7 corvette and can be found cheap new stock. I would love to see someone do the c7 z51 calipers with the 345mm rotor and believe this will fit. They are the same 4 piston brembos with longer mounting ears and could be found used for a decent price.
- For my stock zr1s I am running the arp studs with a 12mm/.5'' spacer and there is plenty of clearance.
I can only assume with the clearance that any 17'' wheel with .5'' more backspacing than zr1s will fit right up. These brakes perform great on the street and road course. They are matching parts - calipers and rotors. No need for washers or hub boring.
- For my stock zr1s I am running the arp studs with a 12mm/.5'' spacer and there is plenty of clearance.
I can only assume with the clearance that any 17'' wheel with .5'' more backspacing than zr1s will fit right up. These brakes perform great on the street and road course. They are matching parts - calipers and rotors. No need for washers or hub boring.
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No. These are new style cadillac ATS brembo calipers which are identical to the 2014+ c7 jl9 base brakes - 320mm. Yes they are only 1/2-3/4'' bigger than ls1 rotors... but the total combined piston area and the pad coverage trumps stock ls1 brakes. Easiest install and best price for factory GM brembo parts on a big brake kit, and they clear 17'' wheels with ease. Factory rubber lines work great. I spent a little extra on acdelco rotors which are a genuine brembo part because I plan on them getting toasty, but c7 rotors can be had from centric for a good price.
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I bought everything new some time last year but it went like this...
100/side for acdelco brembo calipers
60/side for rotors
14mm grade 10.9caliper mounting bolts. I believe they are 14mmx1.5x40mm- $5 from fastenal
Bosche blue be1001 pads $25
Ac delco caliper pin kit - $19
If needed for stock zr1s - $50-60 for arp studs and 1/2'' 5x4.75 spacers
Also replaced stock rubber lines for 10/side
With some shopping around, I dont see why it cant be done with new parts for under $400-450
100/side for acdelco brembo calipers
60/side for rotors
14mm grade 10.9caliper mounting bolts. I believe they are 14mmx1.5x40mm- $5 from fastenal
Bosche blue be1001 pads $25
Ac delco caliper pin kit - $19
If needed for stock zr1s - $50-60 for arp studs and 1/2'' 5x4.75 spacers
Also replaced stock rubber lines for 10/side
With some shopping around, I dont see why it cant be done with new parts for under $400-450
Last edited by Boosted53F; 03-15-2017 at 06:36 PM.
#19
Hardware - Acdelco caliper hardware kit - 18K1971X
Calipers - 1722586/87 are the correct calipers. Looks like they went up a little in price. Rock still has a decent buy.
Rotors - I went with acdelco c7 rotors. They are oem brembo. The ats rotors will not work. From what I remember the hub bore and more importantly bolt pattern is different.