Brake Upgrade Recommendation.
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Hello all, after my recent power bump courtesy of a procharger, I think it's time to upgrade my brakes. Car is a 2000 Camaro SS, stock 17" 10 spoke wheels, some engine mods, some suspension mods, no brake mods. I am wondering what mod would make the biggest difference. The three mods that I have in mind are: upgrading the pads, stainless steel brake lines, or a master cylinder brace. Keep in mind this car is mostly driven around town but I would like to take it to a track and want to get a little more bite than what I am getting right now. Other suggestions? Thanks!
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I was thinking the pads would be a good place to start. The lines and brace would improve feel but not the bite. Was just wanting some opinions from people who have done it. Which pads would be good for a mostly street car with some spirited driving? Is there a reason I need new rotors though? Is there a benefit to the aftermarket blank rotors?
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Our C5 conversion kit is a pretty big improvement over stock
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/93-02-ws6store-f-body-c5-brake-conversion-kit/
Add in the stainless braided lines as well
W/o traction control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_474&products_id=4798
With trac control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_474&products_id=4478
Upgrade the back brakes with our slotted rpmspeed rotors and hawk hps pads and have no worries about your brakes
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/93-02-ws6store-f-body-c5-brake-conversion-kit/
Add in the stainless braided lines as well
W/o traction control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_474&products_id=4798
With trac control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_474&products_id=4478
Upgrade the back brakes with our slotted rpmspeed rotors and hawk hps pads and have no worries about your brakes
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Our C5 conversion kit is a pretty big improvement over stock
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...onversion-kit/
Add in the stainless braided lines as well
W/o traction control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=4798
With trac control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=4478
Upgrade the back brakes with our slotted rpmspeed rotors and hawk hps pads and have no worries about your brakes
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...onversion-kit/
Add in the stainless braided lines as well
W/o traction control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=4798
With trac control
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=4478
Upgrade the back brakes with our slotted rpmspeed rotors and hawk hps pads and have no worries about your brakes
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If that is too much, we do have quite a few options.
Rotors and pads
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_301&products_id=6356
Brake lines
Without tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-rpmspeed-stainless-steel-brake-lines-w-o-tract-control-/
With tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-rpmspeed-stainless-steel-brake-lines-with-tract-control-/
Youd be surprised at how much more firm and better your braking is with the line upgrade
Rotors and pads
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_301&products_id=6356
Brake lines
Without tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-rpmspeed-stainless-steel-brake-lines-w-o-tract-control-/
With tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-rpmspeed-stainless-steel-brake-lines-with-tract-control-/
Youd be surprised at how much more firm and better your braking is with the line upgrade
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If that is too much, we do have quite a few options.
Rotors and pads
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=6356
Brake lines
Without tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...ract-control-/
With tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...ract-control-/
Youd be surprised at how much more firm and better your braking is with the line upgrade
Rotors and pads
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=6356
Brake lines
Without tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...ract-control-/
With tc
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...ract-control-/
Youd be surprised at how much more firm and better your braking is with the line upgrade
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Hps stands for high perf street
They are one of our most popular pads
We sell them in the c5 conversion kits for a good reason
For that then id look at just slotted rotors
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/93-02-f-body-rpm-speed-black-zinc-plated-rotors-all-4-/
Hps front
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_299&products_id=7045
Hps rear
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_299&products_id=7044
And the brake lines.
Getting all that together does qualify for free shipping and when you get em all together you can save $15 also.
Like i said we have MANY options, but honestly your master cyl is just fine, it works fine for all the wilwood upgrades etc, so itll be fine. Line flex takes away from the pressure and mechanical and thermal fade dont help either. Combat all of that with the complete kit.
They are one of our most popular pads
We sell them in the c5 conversion kits for a good reason
For that then id look at just slotted rotors
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/93-02-f-body-rpm-speed-black-zinc-plated-rotors-all-4-/
Hps front
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_299&products_id=7045
Hps rear
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_66_299&products_id=7044
And the brake lines.
Getting all that together does qualify for free shipping and when you get em all together you can save $15 also.
Like i said we have MANY options, but honestly your master cyl is just fine, it works fine for all the wilwood upgrades etc, so itll be fine. Line flex takes away from the pressure and mechanical and thermal fade dont help either. Combat all of that with the complete kit.
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Hps stands for high perf street
They are one of our most popular pads
We sell them in the c5 conversion kits for a good reason
For that then id look at just slotted rotors
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...rotors-all-4-/
Hps front
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=7045
Hps rear
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=7044
And the brake lines.
Getting all that together does qualify for free shipping and when you get em all together you can save $15 also.
Like i said we have MANY options, but honestly your master cyl is just fine, it works fine for all the wilwood upgrades etc, so itll be fine. Line flex takes away from the pressure and mechanical and thermal fade dont help either. Combat all of that with the complete kit.
They are one of our most popular pads
We sell them in the c5 conversion kits for a good reason
For that then id look at just slotted rotors
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...rotors-all-4-/
Hps front
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=7045
Hps rear
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=7044
And the brake lines.
Getting all that together does qualify for free shipping and when you get em all together you can save $15 also.
Like i said we have MANY options, but honestly your master cyl is just fine, it works fine for all the wilwood upgrades etc, so itll be fine. Line flex takes away from the pressure and mechanical and thermal fade dont help either. Combat all of that with the complete kit.
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5.0 is the step up from the reg hps. The compound takes more abuse and heat without fade. The best street pad for the money. i forgot to add in the reg hps pads also.
Here they are
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-v6-hawk-performance-hps-pads-front-rear-save-/
We have a combo deal on them.
Here they are
http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/98-02-ls1-v6-hawk-performance-hps-pads-front-rear-save-/
We have a combo deal on them.
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Nice review. I see a lot of people complaining about the initial bite with HPS pads is less than OEM but the stopping power is more linear. Do you agree with that?
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Here's a great write-up on pad selection discussing composition, attributes, common usage, etc.
https://www.essexparts.com/storage/w...e%20pads_3.pdf
Perhaps something like a Carbotech 1521 (comparable to G-Loc GS-1); or the CT AX6 or GLoc R6 if you need more fade resistance from repeated high speed stops at the expense of more frequent wheel cleaning and more noise. The guys at G-Loc are family members who split off from Carbotech. You could also look into a PFC Z-Rated, or a parts store brand with a DOT edge code of at least FF, preferably GG (Akebono ASP749, for example). I've never been a fan of Hawk ...never impressed with the balance of dusting and performance on street applications.
Assuming good tires to make use of the pads, you really don't need much more for what you're doing but there's always fluff to buy which may or may not be noticeable to you. Better pad composition will give you higher brake force than a minor rotor size increase, but it all stacks up and depends upon your long term goals. You don't need a C5/C6 conversion unless you're worried about caliper flex induced from open tracking the vehicle, but that conversion would expand pad compound selection. I would stick with plain, non-slotted, non-drilled inexpensive local parts store rotors. Use a brake fluid with a high wet boiling point if you don't plan to change the fluid very often (at least a few months), else choose one with a high dry BP (after every event or at least once a month). You don't want to get too aggressive on the rear pads else they might lock prematurely and cause the rear end to hop.
https://www.essexparts.com/storage/w...e%20pads_3.pdf
Perhaps something like a Carbotech 1521 (comparable to G-Loc GS-1); or the CT AX6 or GLoc R6 if you need more fade resistance from repeated high speed stops at the expense of more frequent wheel cleaning and more noise. The guys at G-Loc are family members who split off from Carbotech. You could also look into a PFC Z-Rated, or a parts store brand with a DOT edge code of at least FF, preferably GG (Akebono ASP749, for example). I've never been a fan of Hawk ...never impressed with the balance of dusting and performance on street applications.
Assuming good tires to make use of the pads, you really don't need much more for what you're doing but there's always fluff to buy which may or may not be noticeable to you. Better pad composition will give you higher brake force than a minor rotor size increase, but it all stacks up and depends upon your long term goals. You don't need a C5/C6 conversion unless you're worried about caliper flex induced from open tracking the vehicle, but that conversion would expand pad compound selection. I would stick with plain, non-slotted, non-drilled inexpensive local parts store rotors. Use a brake fluid with a high wet boiling point if you don't plan to change the fluid very often (at least a few months), else choose one with a high dry BP (after every event or at least once a month). You don't want to get too aggressive on the rear pads else they might lock prematurely and cause the rear end to hop.
Last edited by JimMueller; 05-16-2017 at 09:55 PM. Reason: typo
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We sell alot of the c5 conversions. Mostly because the stock pad size and rotor area isnt desirable for the people with double the stock power. Im not saying youve got to do wilwood either, but it is a huge improvement.
Like i said before though, a std slotted rotor would be fine and the hps pads as well. Not expensive, no grinding, just bolt on and go. A marked improvement in stopping power and less issues with mechanical and thermal fade.
Like i said before though, a std slotted rotor would be fine and the hps pads as well. Not expensive, no grinding, just bolt on and go. A marked improvement in stopping power and less issues with mechanical and thermal fade.
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If you drive aggressively, don't even think about keeping stock rotor size, slotted/drilled/hawk pads...they all don't matter when the stock rotor is too small to handle the heat of repeated aggressive stops.
When I say repeated, try doing more than 1 aggressive stop from 120, guaranteed the brakes are faded already.
Chris
When I say repeated, try doing more than 1 aggressive stop from 120, guaranteed the brakes are faded already.
Chris