Well. Ive decided im going with BMR suspension. you cant beat the price. the complete Fbody suspension kit is 700 bucks.. thats a great price. I know a lot of guys like their stuff, but a lot of guys hate their stuff. If their stuff breaks do they replace it for you? The car is not a autox car, but I want it to be able to handle, and what not. You guys think this is a good choice? Especially you guys with BMR stuff let me know how you feel about it.

 

The car? Nope. Breaking suspension parts (any parts) can cause serious damage and a possible nasty accident.

 

why would anyone give you a warrenty on **** like that?????
if you dont want **** to break....dont drive hard.!

i have BMR boxed and welded sub frames......
tubular lower control arms
and panhard rod.....

all together im happy! stuff looks good and cars feals alot stiffer and drives awsome!

i cant wait to try there sway bars, and springs! and maybe a torque arm!

 

Mmmmm sounds good keep opinions coming.

 

I don't quite follow your reasoning ==> since you've bought BMR stuff, are you expecting it to fail under 'hard driving' conditions, and therefore you're not driving hard? If that's the case, why didn't you just stick with the factory LCA's and panhard, which work just fine for Old Grandmother driving styles??

I'm not after a flame war, I was just totally confused by your post

 

i've put there Trak Pak torque arm thru the test and its passed

also have there boxed SFC's and soon to get K-member and front lower control arms

 

I've got BMR LCA's, Panhard Rod, Strut-tower brace, BMR Adj Torque Arm, etc
Never had a problem with any of it! Bushings are fine, installation was simple, parts are durable, etc.

I'm not saying they're the best out there b/c they are not, but they are the best bang for the buck suspension components that are out there for our vehicles.

Cheers.

 

IMO it would be better to skip over the BMR stuff and save up for some quality pieces, or just install one quality part at a time as you have the money. Every BMR part I've bought wound up being replaced later on when I found out there was something a lot better. It's cheaper in the long run to do more research up front and just buy premuim stuff to start with. And I don't think there is any one company that makes the best of everything.

 

I believe your statement to be partly true for somethings, however a Non-adjustable BMR panhard rod I find hard to be any worser or better than any others NON-adjustable panhard rod. I would even venture to say a BMR Strut-tower brace would have the same durability as any other vendors STB even the (pretty) hotchkins one (which is held together by 2 bolts, not a solid piece).

I don't know why you would replace EVERY bmr part with a different vendors specifically with non-adjustable suspension components, unless you had some non-adjustable components and then purchased some other vendors adjustable suspension component. Like an adjustable panhard rod to adjust the position of a 9" or 12 bolt, etc.

Cheers.

 

Yup, I kept my BMR STB. The rest is gone.

 

john95z28......

my statment was just a general statment,
how can people warranty any performance parts you put on your car? heads, cam, valve springs, suspencion, etc......

i guess i mean if your going to put all kinds of aftermarket parts on your car so you can run faster, brake harder, turn faster, rev higher, you have to expect that sooner or later somthing will fail! everything has a breaking point!

so simply put..... (if you dont want **** to break, dont drive hard!)

i drive my car pretty hard, especally after the head and cam package!
im reving the car alot more.......now if i break a valve spring should i go cry to COMP or just chalk it up to HARD DRIVING!

i hope that cleared up my statment.... if not ill try again!

 

Okay man, I gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up for me

 

hmm back on topic of the BMR Suspension stuff... what have you other guys thought about your BMR mods?

 

what is an example of 'quality/premium' pieces? suspension parts that is?
it sounds like BMR is Kmart to you
i need to lower/new suspension on my car still, thats why im asking

 

I don't race my car at the track, but so far I have no complaints with the BMR stuff, after almost four years. Everything fit perfectly, and the car handles awesomely. Oh yeah, and the price was great too. I couldn't ask for more.

 

Ok, A little history.

I bought BMR LCA's and a PHB with rod ends on both. I had owned a set of Herb Adams LCA's and a matching PHB before that.

The BMR's were slightly noisy from day one. By the end of the summer, they were very noisy. When I removed them after about 1 year, I found that the rod ends were "trashed" (my herb adams set was on my car for 3 years and was as quiet as they were new). The teflon liners were hanging out of the ends, they rattled when you shook the arms and were generally "inexpensive" rod ends. But, the LCA's were still $199. The ends they used were QA1's (you can advertise "I use QA1 rod ends, even if they are the "cheap" ones) , but they were a fairly low end version (economy plus or something like that) that cost about $14 each (give or take). Mine had rusted, the body was flaking away from the rust that had accumulated (my Herb Adams looked "new" when I pulled them off after 3 years....I pulled them to sell the car and my friend won't sell them back to me now). My PHB was in no better shape.

This prompted me to design and build my own set to replace them. I learned that QA1 makes a great line of rod ends, but they start at about $32 each. These rod ends work great, they are quiet and last quite a while before replacement is necessary (all rod ends wear out). LG Motorsports uses these same ends (good parts), as does Steve Spohn (as I remember) and a few others (I think). They are the QA1 XM series (XMR-12 right hand thread, XML-12 left hand thread). They are extremely strong, well made, and work properly. Now, if BMR used $32 a piece rod ends, instead of $14 each ends, what do you think the price would increase to? And, since people keep buying them "as is", and the profit is good, why change? At $32 each, you are looking at $128 in ends for a set of LCA's, compared to $54 (roughly...both of these are retail prices, I'm sure he gets a discount) for the current ends.

Now, don't get me wrong, Brett seems like a nice guy (owner of BMR) and he offers a line of "budget parts" that fit a price point (cheaper than most others). You just need to be aware of the compromises of buying such a part (most of us have replaced those parts and moved on, why do it twice?). If you know you will need to replace the ends regularly and purchase them anyway, at least you've made an informed decision. All rod ends, and even suspension parts are not created equal, some are stronger than others. Just because they do the same job, does not mean they are the same quality/strength/etc. There is a wide range of parts being used to make "rod end LCA's/PHB's" (they sound basic enough). Just be aware that you do get what you pay for and LG's prices are higher because of better parts used in the assembly (Lou's not just pocketing all the extra), this may go for Spohn as well (I've not looked at his prices). And, no, I'm not an LG Motorsports "cheerleader" (I did own one of their driveshaft loops once), I'm just using Lou as an example since he makes parts known to be of excellent quality and he uses the "good ends" on them (even if his price is a little higher).

What does quality cost? And, what would you be willing to pay for it?

 

I have made 2 or 3 posts in this thread and deleted them all. I figure, what's the point. But ...

That's a good analogy ... Nothing wrong with K-Mart. Everyone knows that K-Mart sells inexpensive stuff and realizes the compromise in quality.

Like Kevin pointed out ...

Everyone has their own cost/benefit analysis program. Everyone has a different reason for buying aftermarket parts.

Some use the parts for performance and some like a nifty signature on the internet.

There are some of us who have taken, "high quality and beefy" parts to a track and they have failed miserably.

Some have taken the same parts and occasionally spin the tires without an issue.

Each of us has to figure out which niche we fall into and make decisions accordingly.

 

Mitch, they just closed most of the K-marts in our area and I think they are almost out of business. I think there are some differences.......

 

I've not had any problems with my BMR suspension components (STB, Non-adj boxed control arms, non adjustable PHB, Adjustable Torque Arm. I drag the hell out of my car, daily drive, heck I got over 50K miles on most of my BMR stuff. Leave @ 6700RPM at the track every pass.

The point I'm trying to make is that a vendors product has to be specific to your application. I doubt my STB, or Non adjustable components are ANY weaker than LG's for drag racing and daily driving.

If I was road racing I would most likely have adjustable suspension components (besides TA) and I would probably pursue some adjustable LG suspension components, but for my Application it doesn't matter (daily driver + drag racing).

It really depends on the application of your vehicle.

Cheers.

 

Hello,

Trackbird is correct on what is stated above about the rod ends. My theory is- if you are going to supply a top notch quality product then you should supply top notch components with it, right? I did so much research and made so many calls as well as much testing until we decided what rod end we would supply with our product. After all that we use QA1 Endura Series XMR/XML12 rod end. Same rod end trackbird is referring too. I spoke with QA1 a lot about these before my final decision, they were very helpful and gave me much needed information. The shame of using the expensive QA1 rod ends is the price of your product sky rockets and makes you look like your "ripping" the consumer off. Which by fact you are not.

If you have $128.00 in good rod ends (and yes we do get a slight discount for buying large quanties, but no huge) plus material,labor and paint how do you sell adjustable lower control arms with rod ends for $145.00? I see many vendors doing this and I wonder myself. There is no arguement to be made here, we are all just trying to stat some helpful facts.

Best Regards